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Parsons gets 3 years, $45 million offer from Dallas

Thee jazz fan said:
Infact doesn't this really give DL no other choice but to match on Hayward?
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Do the jazz have the option to save thier money for a year when the contracts are not so inflated
 
fishonjazz said:
Do the jazz have the option to save thier money for a year when the contracts are not so inflated
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How are the contracts not going to be inflated next year? The cap and tax are expected to rise again.

Jazz bet, and lost. Time to bite the bullet. DL didn't do his homework last year (looking up how many teams had money compared to the amount of talent realistically available.

Jazz need to extend Kanter and Burks this offseason, and not try and lowball them (the Favors deal seemed like a lot then, but with the way this FA season has gone, it turned out to be a steal). There will still be teams with money next year, as this free agency has more money than players and value.
 
fishonjazz said:
is it even an option to just save our money for an offseason where there are not as many teams with cap space and the contracts are not so big?
Serious question
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Yes, either with more one year salary dumps, or if they don't reach the floor, every player on the team gets a bonus until we reach it.

Sexual Favors said:
How are the contracts not going to be inflated next year? The cap and tax are expected to rise again.
Jazz bet, and lost. Time to bite the bullet. DL didn't do his homework last year (looking up how many teams had money compared to the amount of talent realistically available.

Jazz need to extend Kanter and Burks this offseason, and not try and lowball them (the Favors deal seemed like a lot then, but with the way this FA season has gone, it turned out to be a steal). There will still be teams with money next year, as this free agency has more money than players and value.
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Because not everyone has insane contract space like they do now.
 
Sexual Favors said:
How are the contracts not going to be inflated next year? The cap and tax are expected to rise again.

Jazz bet, and lost. Time to bite the bullet. DL didn't do his homework last year (looking up how many teams had money compared to the amount of talent realistically available.

Jazz need to extend Kanter and Burks this offseason, and not try and lowball them (the Favors deal seemed like a lot then, but with the way this FA season has gone, it turned out to be a steal). There will still be teams with money next year, as this free agency has more money than players and value.
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What is a lowball offer and what is fair?
If I'm Burks' agent I ask for Hayward money. If I'm Kanter's agent I ask for Hayward money. There is very little incentive for them to sign.
 
fishonjazz said:
is it even an option to just save our money for an offseason where there are not as many teams with cap space and the contracts are not so big?
Serious question
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Yes, I suppose, but when and who will be available and who will be legit candidates to come to the Jazz? I don't know the market enough to predict this ahead of time.

Meanwhile, if we are unwilling to pay the 'market price,' we will lose who is currently our best player.
 
Core4 said:
What is a lowball offer and what is fair?
If I'm Burks' agent I ask for Hayward money. If I'm Kanter's agent I ask for Hayward money. There is very little incentive for them to sign.
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Unless nobody else is offering them this money. The FA agent market when they come up for contract may be quite different than this one, and their decision will be based on prevailing supply and demand.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
Yes, I suppose, but when and who will be available and who will be legit candidates to come to the Jazz? I don't know the market enough to predict this ahead of time.

Meanwhile, if we are unwilling to pay the 'market price,' we will lose who is currently our best player.
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IMO, it doesn't matter whether he is or isn't the best player in regard to the max discussion, but is he their best player? Derrick Favors had a significantly better PER. Burks is younger, pretty even with Hayward by most metrics last season and it could be argued has more potential. Kanter is younger and was also close to Hayward in regard to production. Burke was the runner up in the ROY voting. If Exum realizes his potential, he will be better than Hayward within 4 years.

This Jazz team simply doesn't not need Gordon Hayward. There is no reason to match the contract.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
This doesn't change anything regarding Hayward. Has a team ever not regretted giving a role player the max?
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This may sound crazy, but maybe Hayward resides in an area that is above a simple role player, but below NBA superstar. Chandler Parsons is the very definition of a role player. He is very good at one thing and not much else. Hayward can give you 20+ points on any given night, rebounds well for his position and is also a great distributor for his position. Nearly every one of his teammates see their shooting % go up with Hayward on the floor.

While I'll gladly agree he's not a superstar, I think he brings too much to the table to be labeled a simple role player.
 
jazzman12 said:
This may sound crazy, but maybe Hayward resides in an area that is above a simple role player, but below NBA superstar. Chandler Parsons is the very definition of a role player. He is very good at one thing and not much else. Hayward can give you 20+ points on any given night, rebounds well for his position and is also a great distributor for his position. Nearly every one of his teammates see their shooting % go up with Hayward on the floor.

While I'll gladly agree he's not a superstar, I think he brings too much to the table to be labeled a simple role player.
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What is your standard for a guy being able to give you "20+ points on any given night"? Hayward has never sniffed an average of 20ppg. Last year he averaged an inefficient 16 ppg. A lot of guys can give you 20+ points on any given night. Parsons is one of them. Burks is another. Kanter is another. Burke is another.

You say nearly every one of his teammates see their shooting % go up with Hayward on the floor. Are you making that up, or do want to provide a link? Maybe it's true, but I'd like to see it, so I might feel a little bit better when DL matches that horrific contract. Because he will do it.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
IMO, it doesn't matter whether he is or isn't the best player in regard to the max discussion, but is he their best player? Derrick Favors had a significantly better PER. Burks is younger, pretty even with Hayward by most metrics last season and it could be argued has more potential. Kanter is younger and was also close to Hayward in regard to production. Burke was the runner up in the ROY voting. If Exum realizes his potential, he will be better than Hayward within 4 years.

This Jazz team simply doesn't not need Gordon Hayward. There is no reason to match the contract.
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I'm glad we agree that the Jazz need Hayward.
 
This forum is going to turn into a civil war when we match Hayward and by damn, I'm going to love it.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
What is your standard for a guy being able to give you "20+ points on any given night"? Hayward has never sniffed an average of 20ppg. Last year he averaged an inefficient 16 ppg. A lot of guys can give you 20+ points on any given night. Parsons is one of them. Burks is another. Kanter is another. Burke is another.

You say nearly every one of his teammates see their shooting % go up with Hayward on the floor. Are you making that up, or do want to provide a link? Maybe it's true, but I'd like to see it, so I might feel a little bit better when DL matches that horrific contract. Because he will do it.
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Too lazy to find the link but it was posted today in one of the Hayward forums. The numbers were rather impressive. I also forgot to mention Hayward's value as a defender. Dude is definitely more than a "role player".
 
If Locke defends the idea of matching max money for Hayward, it's most def. better idea not to match it and let him called overrated in Charlotte.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
You say nearly every one of his teammates see their shooting % go up with Hayward on the floor. Are you making that up, or do want to provide a link? Maybe it's true, but I'd like to see it, so I might feel a little bit better when DL matches that horrific contract. Because he will do it.
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When Hayward was on the floor, Favors shot 54%. When Hayward was off the floor, Favors shot 46%. The same goes for almost everyone on the Jazz last year. Trey Burke’s EFG% was 46.5% with Hayward on and 39.8% with him off. The same applies to Richard Jefferson (55.6% vs. 51%), Alec Burks (50.5% vs. 47%) and Enes Kanter (50.5% vs. 46%).
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https://weareutahjazz.com/lockedonjazz/2014/07/09/insider-faq-on-gordon-hayward/

There you go
 
Hayward is clearly more than a role player. He will be a borderline allstar for the length of his contract here, and probably get another big contract when that is up.
 
This does mean Hayward will probably be matched. Parson's is older than Hayward with less potential. This sucks so bad.
 
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