Parsons gets 3 years, $45 million offer from Dallas

[fishonjazz]

How can someone be worth 9 if a team out there is willing to pay 15? Doesn't the idea of a market suggest that a player's value is set by how much someone is willing to pay them?

So if i pay 70,000 dollars for a used toyota camry then it is now worth that much?

 

[Jeffrey32]

The restricted free agent model encourages overpaying. Teams might be better served if there was no RFA.


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[JAZZGASM]

So if i pay 70,000 dollars for a used toyota camry then it is now worth that much?

It would be worth 70k to the guy that sold it to you. If he knows he can get 70k from you, he isnt going to sell it for less.

 

[JAZZGASM]

The restricted free agent model encourages overpaying. Teams might be better served if there was no RFA.


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True. But that would **** small market teams even more. Players would leave to thr bigger markets.

 

[fishonjazz]

It would be worth 70k to the guy that sold it to you. If he knows he can get 70k from you, he isnt going to sell it for less.

But if it is really worth 70,000 dollars then i should be able to just turn around and sell it for that amount.

Here is the twist.......... it was never worth 70,000 dollars. I just stupidly over paid for it

 

[nateboz]

Point is even with the future salary cap going up. Hayward at his best is still never worth max money.

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[JAZZGASM]

But if it is really worth 70,000 dollars then i should be able to just turn around and sell it for that amount.

Here is the twist.......... it was never worth 70,000 dollars. I just stupidly over paid for it

The value of an item is what someone will pay. The Horncats will pay 63M. So that is his market value. Without the cba and trade restrictions, I think you could trade him quite easily right now based on other teams interest.

 

[fishonjazz]

The value of an item is what someone will pay. The Horncats will pay 63M. So that is his market value. Without the cba and trade restrictions, I think you could trade him quite easily right now based on other teams interest.

I disagree.

I believe that there is such thing as paying MORE than somethings true value

and i dont think its a good idea

Just cause the jefferhornicats pay hayward 63 million, that does not mean that is what he is worth. They would be paying more than he is worth

 

[JimLes]

So if i pay 70,000 dollars for a used toyota camry then it is now worth that much?

If that's the only Toyota Camry in existence. Or am I missing other Gordon Haywards?

I believe that there is such thing as paying MORE than somethings true value

Pray tell, how do you objectively determine true value then.

 

[fishonjazz]

If that's the only Toyota Camry in existence. Or am I missing other Gordon Haywards?

Other basketball players

Other cars

Silly lessjim

 

[b_line]

The other white wing player who plays decent basketball just got offered a very similar contract to Hayward, so apparently Camry's are worth a ton now? At least in this ridiculous nba offseason.


I read on Zach lowes article that Kyle Lowry added more win shares last season alone than Hayward has had in his entire four year career. But Kyle Lowry gets paid 4/48.

 

[fishonjazz]

But Kyle Lowry gets paid 4/48.

jazz should sign deals like that and not sign deals for ok players at star player prices imo.

 

[somebody]

Question for anybody. Which do you think is greater:

a) The number of players better than Hayward.
b) The maximum number of max contracts that can exist in the league at any given time.

I would think that if a > b, then we shouldn't match. Is that sound reasoning?

 

[JAZZGASM]

I disagree.

I believe that there is such thing as paying MORE than somethings true value

and i dont think its a good idea

Why is it a bad idea? How does it hurt? Yes, you can overpay. But from a seller's perspective, if you know you can sell your camry for 70k to multiple buyers, that is the market value for the car now.

Hayward is more like a rare classic car. His value is what someone will pay. If there are more buyers than good cars, the value of the cars available go up. And the cars that are not in mint condition may sell for mint price if no others are available.

 

[b_line]

Question for anybody. Which do you think is greater:

a) The number of players better than Hayward.
b) The maximum number of max contracts that can exist in the league at any given time.

I would think that if a > b, then we shouldn't match. Is that sound reasoning?

Does anybody think it is ironic that somebody is asking anybody a question?

 

[b_line]

Why is it a bad idea? How does it hurt? Yes, you can overpay. But from a seller's perspective, if you know you can sell your camry for 70k to multiple buyers, that is the market value for the car now.

Hayward is more like a rare classic car. His value is what someone will pay. If there are more buyers than good cars, the value of the cars available go up. And the cars that are not in mint condition may sell for mint price if no others are available.

If Hayward is a classic car, he is the one that everyone forgot about.

 

[Jazz4ever]

Point is even with the future salary cap going up. Hayward at his best is still never worth max money.

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Yep. It also means you likely pick #10 next year instead of top 5. From all star level pick to role player pick. No one wants think about the draft now, but it is the cold reality of it.

 

[Doublea]

Why is it a bad idea? How does it hurt? Yes, you can overpay. But from a seller's perspective, if you know you can sell your camry for 70k to multiple buyers, that is the market value for the car now.

Hayward is more like a rare classic car. His value is what someone will pay. If there are more buyers than good cars, the value of the cars available go up. And the cars that are not in mint condition may sell for mint price if no others are available.

Let's imagine it this way then (it's not going to be proportional..). Let's say you only have 100,000 dollars to buy 6 cars. If you buy a car for 70,000 it better be able to carry everyone and be a nice shiny one. If it isn't you can't get the other 5 cars with only 30,000 that you need them for. Yay.

 

[JimLes]

Yep. It also means you likely pick #10 next year instead of top 5. From all star level pick to role player pick. No one wants think about the draft now, but it is the cold reality of it.

How many more lottery picks do we ****ing need in order to win? We've got 6 on the roster right now, assuming Hayward is retained, all younger than 25.

And people are already thinking about how we need another top 5 pick next year.

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

Horrible car analogy absolutely ridiculously horribly absurd. How does that even fit or make any kind of sense, what a jackass of a comparison.



We all know Hayward drives a Honda Accord.