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Rudy Gobert "Greatest Jazz Center of All Time" Countdown Thread

For hell sakes, why must Eaton's contribution be destroyed for the sake of proving Rudy's greatness? You even have some questioning the validity of Eaton's number being retired.

Framer, don't bother with this thread anymore. Too many Jazz posters have missed the entire point of what you were doing. It's too bad, because it was a fun read until it became a Rudy vs Eaton debate.
 
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gregbroncs said:
All of that ignores the different era's of basketball. I'm with the Rudy supporters I think he's better. But those stats don't necessarily compensate for the different rules and styles of play back then.
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Rudy would have been even better back then and Eaton would have been trash in this era. If Rudy played in the 80's the history books probably speak of him in a GOAT light.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Rudy would have been even better back then and Eaton would have been trash in this era. If Rudy played in the 80's the history books probably speak of him in a GOAT light.
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In a more physical league Rudy would have been beat up. Bigger guys that used their bodies to bully people would have worn him down. He struggles against guys Like Adams with OKC. Back then a lot of teams had guys bigger stronger and better than Adams. Adams was an average size and physical type center in that era. Rudy struggles against him because of the physicality and he'd have a match up like that most nights when Eaton played.

I said Eaton would suck in this era.
 
gregbroncs said:
In a more physical league Rudy would have been beat up. Bigger guys that used their bodies to bully people would have worn him down. He struggles against guys Like Adams with OKC. Back then a lot of teams had guys bigger stronger and better than Adams. Adams was an average size and physical type center in that era. Rudy struggles against him because of the physicality and he'd have a match up like that most nights when Eaton played.

I said Eaton would suck in this era.
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Rudy had a stretch last year where he was dominating pretty much all of the best centers in the league, including cousins, who is a bruiser. Rudy has down games just like anybody else, but nobody muscles him on a regular basis. That hasn't been true for a couple years now.

I think Rudy has struggled at times coming back from injury when he wasn't yet 100% healthy, and some fans revert back to thinking he's getting bullied by tougher centers. There's nobody in the league who gets the best of a healthy Gobert on a regular basis.
 
gregbroncs said:
In a more physical league Rudy would have been beat up. Bigger guys that used their bodies to bully people would have worn him down. He struggles against guys Like Adams with OKC. Back then a lot of teams had guys bigger stronger and better than Adams. Adams was an average size and physical type center in that era. Rudy struggles against him because of the physicality and he'd have a match up like that most nights when Eaton played.

I said Eaton would suck in this era.
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Rudy would kick everyone's ***. Sure, guys were a bit more physical, but they also sucked a lot more *** and were much less athletic. Gobert struggles against Adams relative to everyone else, but he still plays great against him.
 
Ellipse said:
For hell sakes, why must Eaton's contribution be destroyed for the sake of proving Rudy's greatness? You even have some questioning the validity of Eaton's number being retired.

Framer, don't bother with this thread anymore. Too many Jazz posters have missed the entire point of what you were doing. It's too bad, because it was a fun read until it became a Rudy vs Eaton debate.
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That entire discussion is stupid. Eaton was an OG Utah Jazz dawg.

Gobert would have been Eaton alive by his competition. Could you imagine Gobert trying to guard Shaq? LOL. I'd take Ostertag over Gobert in that situation every time. Eaton would have made Shaq his bitch.
 
gregbroncs said:
All of that ignores the different era's of basketball. I'm with the Rudy supporters I think he's better. But those stats don't necessarily compensate for the different rules and styles of play back then.
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The problem with that comment is that you don't have a clue how the different eras would change the production. I have a pretty good idea how you think it might change, but the reality is neither you or i have the slightest idea. So we're left with the facts, with reality, with what really happened. We can speculate till we're blue in the face. We can speculate until the narrative fits our view. But that is all it is- a guessing game.

I could make the easy argument that it was a lot easier for Eaton to get blocks back then- but i don't know that- all i know is that the facts show that at his peak Eaton was the superior shot blocker. So I'll give him that.

At the same time the facts show that Rudy is better in pretty much every aspect of the game.
 
^my father used to always say Eaton's problem was that he had tennis ball rackets for hands. We see the same with Favors and Gobert (improving a ton), but the league adjustments haven't changed who Eaton could have been in this league.
 
franklin said:
^my father used to always say Eaton's problem was that he had tennis ball rackets for hands. We see the same with Favors and Gobert (improving a ton), but the league adjustments haven't changed who Eaton could have been in this league.
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And Eaton played with the greatest assist maker of all-time, though Mark Jackson (maybe best ever after Magic at throwing the lob) was better at throwing the lob -- I think Jerry was conservative though with throwing lobs, which was one of the conflicts he had with Jackson who wanted to do more of that, especially with AK and I remember the rumor AK was siding with Jackson on that, and may have been the beginning of the dysfunction between him and Jerry. In retrospect, yes, Jerry should've retired when Stock and Malone left. I actually made posts about that, at the time, 10 Things that Drive Me Nuts About the Jazz, or something like that, and it all had to with Jerry's coaching.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
And Eaton played with the greatest assist maker of all-time, though Mark Jackson (maybe best ever after Magic at throwing the lob) was better at throwing the lob -- I think Jerry was conservative though with throwing lobs, which was one of the conflicts he had with Jackson who wanted to do more of that, especially with AK and I remember the rumor AK was siding with Jackson on that, and may have been the beginning of the dysfunction between him and Jerry. In retrospect, yes, Jerry should've retired when Stock and Malone left. I actually made posts about that, at the time, 10 Things that Drive Me Nuts About the Jazz, or something like that, and it all had to with Jerry's coaching.
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Wow, so in addition to the persistent and irrational AK love ten years after the fact, it appears you're now starting to bleed that over into Mark Jackson support in the greatest lockerroom rift in Jazz history in which Mark Jackson tried to make his argument to overtake Stockton as the starter. This is certainly headed in a good direction.
 
infection said:
Wow, so in addition to the persistent and irrational AK love ten years after the fact, it appears you're now starting to bleed that over into Mark Jackson support in the greatest lockerroom rift in Jazz history in which Mark Jackson tried to make his argument to overtake Stockton as the starter. This is certainly headed in a good direction.
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Why do people here respond to stupid with anything other than **** off?

John Stockton: All of my stats destroyed this little bitch who can't shoot worth a damn. When I got too old for this game I hung em up. Have fun in LA Karl. BTW, I lead the league in assist % 16 ****ing years, including my final season at old man age. You wanna know why Sloan didn't have us shoot more threes? Me mother ****ers.
 
infection said:
Wow, so in addition to the persistent and irrational AK love ten years after the fact, it appears you're now starting to bleed that over into Mark Jackson support in the greatest lockerroom rift in Jazz history in which Mark Jackson tried to make his argument to overtake Stockton as the starter. This is certainly headed in a good direction.
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Are you replying to the demons in your head, or to something someone actually wrote which I completely missed?
 
franklin said:
^my father used to always say Eaton's problem was that he had tennis ball rackets for hands. We see the same with Favors and Gobert (improving a ton), but the league adjustments haven't changed who Eaton could have been in this league.
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Eenie-Meenie said:
And Eaton played with the greatest assist maker of all-time, though Mark Jackson (maybe best ever after Magic at throwing the lob) was better at throwing the lob -- I think Jerry was conservative though with throwing lobs, which was one of the conflicts he had with Jackson who wanted to do more of that, especially with AK and I remember the rumor AK was siding with Jackson on that, and may have been the beginning of the dysfunction between him and Jerry. In retrospect, yes, Jerry should've retired when Stock and Malone left. I actually made posts about that, at the time, 10 Things that Drive Me Nuts About the Jazz, or something like that, and it all had to with Jerry's coaching.
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You deserve to be put in a barrel full of nails pounded in and rolled down a hill. Yaaaa idiot!!




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Saint Cy of JFC said:
Rudy would kick everyone's ***. Sure, guys were a bit more physical, but they also sucked a lot more *** and were much less athletic. Gobert struggles against Adams relative to everyone else, but he still plays great against him.
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Lol. Alright dog.
 
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