Trump Threatens Nuclear War

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I foresee them playing both sides, what they've done for the past three decades. They benefit from having a buffer between themselves and western powers. Oh, and NK provides them with cheap labor and resources.

Right

That's the choice

The NK regime without nukes or we take out the regime and the nukes

A threat is not an invasion, it is a courtesy.

Do I think we will get to invasion; probably not. Would we be willing to; probably so.

 

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it did not work.

during the clinton era it is exactly what clinton did! and here we are with a supposed nuclear north korea!


iran isstill on its way to nuclear power

We aren't concerned about UN monitored nuclear power plants. The Iran deal has been a major success and is a feather in Obama's cap.

 

[Gameface]

We aren't concerned about UN monitored nuclear power plants. The Iran deal has been a major success and is a feather in Obama's cap.

Yep, much better than the alternative.

 

[DutchJazzer]

We aren't concerned about UN monitored nuclear power plants. The Iran deal has been a major success and is a feather in Obama's cap.

lol

jus tgo back in time!

and the north korea nuclear deal which is the same as iran. was also hailed as a a great deal! october 1994 go ahead take a look!

 

[Stoked]

Now N. Korean generals are saying they will present a plan to attack Guam to their emperor within the week for approval. Can hardly wait for the President's response...

 

[candrew]

lol

jus tgo back in time!

and the north korea nuclear deal which is the same as iran. was also hailed as a a great deal! october 1994 go ahead take a look!

Well then it's lucky we have the "world's greatest deal maker" as president now. I'm eager to see how he solves these problems.

 

[NAOS]

I picture Australia.

lol. Learn more about Australia, bruh

 

[NAOS]

North Korea is an excellent example of how sanctions don't work for their intended purposes. They simply impoverish and kill civilians.

 

[fishonjazz]

Now N. Korean generals are saying they will present a plan to attack Guam to their emperor within the week for approval. Can hardly wait for the President's response...

Damn, that sound like quite an escalation. Hope it's just posturing.

Where is Guam anyway?

 

[Stoked]

Damn, that sound like quite an escalation. Hope it's just posturing.

Where is Guam anyway?

Guam is South of Japan. Important strategically to the US Navy. Bunch of service members there.

So to hit it N. Korea would have to fire missiles that fly over S. Korea and Japan. Both of which have warned N. Korea not to do it. Japan even went so far as to say they can/will shoot down the missiles.

 

[Gameface]

Damn, that sound like quite an escalation. Hope it's just posturing.

Where is Guam anyway?

If you're looking at a map of the Pacific Ocean the "G" in Guam will most likely be larger than the island.

As Stoked mentioned, there's a Navy base there. Other than that it has one main strip where stuff is going on with bars, food, retail, etc. Other than that it's like one big trailer park. It is a launching point for people exploring the Marianas Trench.

If you ever find yourself there be sure to visit Yokoi's Cave. Some Japanese dude hid for 28 years after the end of WWII, not sure if the war had ended.

 

[Stoked]

If you're looking at a map of the Pacific Ocean the "G" in Guam will most likely be larger than the island.

As Stoked mentioned, there's a Navy base there. Other than that it has one main strip where stuff is going on with bars, food, retail, etc. Other than that it's like one big trailer park. It is a launching point for people exploring the Marianas Trench.

If you ever find yourself there be sure to visit Yokoi's Cave. Some Japanese dude hid for 28 years after the end of WWII, not sure if the war had ended.

Didn't Japan have to send an officer to the island to finally convince him to come out of hiding?

I read he had been spying and sabotaging stuff when the chance presented itself.

 

[JazzGal]

Two unstable leaders having a ****ing contest with people's lives. Terrific.

 

[JazzGal]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump-escalates-fire-and-fury-threat-to-nkorea/ar-AApPVGK

Issuing a new threat to North Korea, President Donald Trump demanded that North Korea "get their act together" or face extraordinary trouble. He said his previous warning of "fire and fury" if Pyongyang threatened the U.S. again might have been too soft.

"Maybe that statement wasn't tough enough," Trump said on Thursday.

. . .

 

[Stoked]

All of the countries that could potentially be involved in an American/N. Korea fight are making their stances publicly known.

China vows to remain neutral unless the U.S. strikes first. At which point they will come to N. Korea's aid.

Japan has vowed to shoot down any N. Korean missiles launched at Guam.

Australia says that any attack on the U.S. would invoke the "Anzus Treaty". A mutual security pact between the U.S., Australia and New Zealand.

S. Korea warns that N. Korea will face a stern response from "allied forces" if it followed through on its threats.

The Philippines have condemned N. Korean posturing.

Cambodia has stalled any ASEAN statement against N. Korea. Trying to keep pressure off N. Korea.

All of this has significantly raised the stakes on a first strike from either side. Very smart move by China.

 

[The Thriller]

Nope. They definitely would not be fine with it.

What do you think they might do to prevent it? Are they more likely to choose war with the US or increasing pressure on NK to give up their nuclear program?

Edit: btw without American coal China would be ****ed. America is by far China's most important trading partner. If it comes down to it they won't choose Kim's bombs over their relationship with the US.

I'm not sure we have great leverage over China. We are a consumer nation. Without cheap Chinese made goods, our economy comes to a screeching halt. At best, we are equal partners. That means, that neither one of us has leverage over the other. Not a good starting pt in making demands. And I think it shows how little leverage we have in China's stance on this situation that they just released. They're neutral and will side with NK if we strike first.

 

[The Thriller]

There's a disturbing narrative going around I've noticed on both mainstream media outlets and twitter claiming that Clinton dropped the ball on NK. That is fake news. In reality:

In 1999-2000 the Clinton admin, SK, Japan, and NK had negotiated a deal. We would provide them with oil, economic sanction relief, food, and GUARANTEES that we wouldn't attack them. The deal did not require the senate to ratify it. However, it was contingent on the next president carrying out the deal. President Bush did not. North Korea, left without any guarantees of safety then turned to its nuclear proliferation program.

In 2006, Bush recognized his mistake and desperately tried to renegotiate the deal. By that time, the genie was already out of the bottle.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...north-korea-deal-fail/?utm_term=.c1a73c171198

Today? North Korea isn't giving up those nukes. They feel like they're the only thing preventing a CIA coup or a Iraq/Afghanistan like American invasion.

That ship for diplomacy seems to have sailed.

Yesterday's podcast was excellent. They interview a diplomat who was involved in the original Clinton/NK treaty in 1999-2000. He was taken aback by how little NK cared about economic relief and how much they cared about guarantees that America wouldn't attack them. Had that deal never been snuffed out by Bush, we might be in an entire different situation today. If you haven't listened yet, you should. It's only about 15-20 mins long. He explains how top NK officials were even shown around Stanford University (and other interesting sites) in celebrating the deal.

https://www.nytimes.com/podcasts/the-daily

 

[The Thriller]

Two unstable leaders having a ****ing contest with people's lives. Terrific.

I have questions that Donald is even focused on this issue. He's tweeting nonstop about Mitch McConnell getting back to work in-between golf swings.

Donald is talking big about the potentially riskiest situation since the Cuban Missile Crisis and then the next moment will retweet something stupid on Fox n Friends. His own agencies are learning to ignore him. While this escalating situation in NK requires great focus and reflection, I just don't think Trump has it. That's why those around him are constantly backtracking and clarifying the official American positions on policy; since Trump either doesn't know or constantly changes it.

It's scary when the president is threatening nuclear war while he has the attention span of an instagram cat chasing a laser pointer.

How can America continue like this? Why is our population so dumb? Are we so oversaturated with cheap entertainment that masses of our population no longer care about substance?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-agency-directives-ignored_us_598b7888e4b0d793738c6a35

They ignored it,” Douglas Brinkley, a presidential historian at Rice University, said with a laugh. “The United States federal government is now just shrugging at and ignoring some of his statements.”

It’s a shrug that is becoming more common in the Trump presidency. Agency heads and lower-level bureaucrats appear to have concluded that the combination of Trump’s impulsive nature and short attention span means that the president’s sometimes random commands can – and should – be safely ignored.

“His attention span is so short that what he said one hour, he doesn’t even remember the next hour,” Brinkley said.

That “ignore-what-he-says” attitude may become particularly important as the U.S. deals with a nuclear-armed North Korea. Just hours after Trump’s ad-libbed “fire and fury” statement on Tuesday appeared to escalate the conflict, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson gave far more measured remarks to reporters traveling with him.

 

[The Thriller]

Yep, much better than the alternative.

Not according to the major right wing news outlets that feed millions of Americans fake news.

Just yesterday Rush and Sean, who collectively reach out to 30+ million Americans daily, claimed that the Iranian deal is a failure and that we gave Iran billions of taxpayer funds. Obviously, lies on both counts. The Iranian deal is working and the funds released weren't American taxpayer funds. They were Iranian funds sent here to buy warships for the Shah but were frozen by Pres. Carter after the Shah was overthrown and Americans were taken hostage in 1979.

Facts matter; but not to right wing news sources, like Rush and Sean, who must demonize anything Obama did and praise everything Donald does.

 

[The Thriller]

Well then it's lucky we have the "world's greatest deal maker" as president now. I'm eager to see how he solves these problems.

I think bullying your way in business where all that matters is "the bottom line" and is clear cut black or white is different than politics. Brokering a deal in politics is never black or white, but gray. From the Cuban Missile Crisis, where we "won" by forcing Russia to remove weapons and personnel from Cuba but conceding to removing American weapons in Turkey to brokering a deal with Reagan's tax reform. In all of these cases, concessions are made, and the end result is something "gray." It's not a "total victory" like the taking over of a business or development of a piece of real estate.

I think Trump is used to "dominating" his opponents through bullying tactics, using his money and influence, and buying people off.

You can't do that as easily in politics. As we just saw with health care. He tried to buy people off, he tried to intimate, etc but in the end, health care turned out to be far more complicated than he imagined and people stood their ground because merely repealing Obamacare or merely replacing it with Trumpcare, meant that billions would be saved off the national debt but millions of the most vulnerable would lose coverage. A result that three republicans could not live with.

Trump better not make the same mistake with NK. Hell, he's still trying to bully Mitch McConnell over Twitter into working on healthcare. I don't think you can bully them into submission without serious ramifications.

http://www.history.com/news/10-things-you-may-not-know-about-the-cuban-missile-crisis