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what should Favors/Hayward extension be vs what will they be

I think what is happening with Pekovic is very instructive. I think the days of teams way overpaying for a free agent that their own team wants are (i won't say over) but changing. This off-season only one restricted free agent moved teams and there are serious questions as to whether Tyreke Evans was someone that Sacramento wanted around. I think they actually would have given him up if the offer was more around what it should have been for a player of Evans skills and deficiencies which is $8M per year.

NOLA way overpaid.

But the Bucks certainly didn't overpay to attempt to get Teague which showed restraint in attempting to get a good player. They didn't overpay, they just took a chance to get a player at his true value and hoped that the Hawks wanted to move on... but didn't want to overpay 2-3M per year.

The Timberwolves overpaid Batum last year by at least $2M per year, but if you look around the league who are the teams that are going to want Hayward so much that they are willing to overpay. I was really surprised that Portland didn't want to get revenge on Minnesota and go after Pek, but I am sure they looked at the market and decided that if their future was to rebuild around an eventual trade of Aldridge, it might not be the best to add a high priced Center who would make them a middle pack team when they want to really bottom out.

I think when teams know that the deal is going to be matched they will back off nowadays because this a now a league where if you overpay $3-$4M per year for a player who is a 3rd option on a good team you put yourself in trouble. I think Hayward will resign next summer for around $10M per but I hope that we get him this summer for $8.
 
I don't know, but what I'm feeling confident in is that Hayward and Favors think they're worth more than what the Jazz would offer and know they have the opportunity to prove it. At the same time, the Jazz will still hold all the cards in RFA, and if they don't extend either player, then they will have about the same amount of cap that they had this year to once again be in a position to facilitate cap-clearing deals for desperate teams BEFORE they get re-signed.
 
I would do everything I could to get Hayward for 4/40 starting at 8.

I don't pay Favors a penny over 10. I seriously hope he was hurt in that scrimmage because if he wasn't he is going to bust hard. He looked AWFUL.
 
green said:
I would do everything I could to get Hayward for 4/40 starting at 8.

I don't pay Favors a penny over 10. I seriously hope he was hurt in that scrimmage because if he wasn't he is going to bust hard. He looked AWFUL.
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I agree with all of this.
 
green said:
I would do everything I could to get Hayward for 4/40 starting at 8.

I don't pay Favors a penny over 10. I seriously hope he was hurt in that scrimmage because if he wasn't he is going to bust hard. He looked AWFUL.
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I agree with this. Also, If Hayward asks for a penny over $10M/year, let his *** go. The comparisons to George is ****ing comical...
 
candrew said:
Things could change but right now George's stock is way higher than Hayward's.
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Doesn't matter how much better we think George is than Hayward.
I wasn't comparing the 2. This is what agents will do. They go look at the top end of the market than say Hayward deserves a certain percentage of what George's contract because he has shown that much.
It sucks because George is highly overrated right now. Very inefficient.
But that is besides the point.
George's contract will dictate what Hayward's contract will be.
Lets hope the Pacers don't over pay
 
akirac73 said:
I agree with this. Also, If Hayward asks for a penny over $10M/year, let his *** go. The comparisons to George is ****ing comical...
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You are really going to not match him if it's 10,000,000.01 per year as opposed to signing if it's 10,000,000?

You are being a little anal bro.
 
Twin Towers said:
Doesn't matter how much better we think George is than Hayward.
I wasn't comparing the 2. This is what agents will do. They go look at the top end of the market than say Hayward deserves a certain percentage of what George's contract because he has shown that much.
It sucks because George is highly overrated right now. Very inefficient.
But that is besides the point.
George's contract will dictate what Hayward's contract will be.
Lets hope the Pacers don't over pay
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George is a max contract right now. He is going to get a max extension, or a max deal when he is a RFA. If ****ing John Wall gets a max extension, so will George.

Part of it is perception. George is perceived to be on of the next star players. Yeah, he isn't that efficient but during the playoffs he started going to the rim a lot more and drawing contact. If you think he is going to improve at all you have to throw a max at him just to retain him. It's just the way it is when you have a top young player, who on top of being pretty good offensively also does everything else on the court at an above average level (including being an elite wing rebounder and defender). Him having a pretty good veteran team around him really helped put him in the spotlight and he led the team to nearly beating the Heat, so he is going to get hyped up.
 
The hate Favors receives sometimes is just ridiculously bad.

He'll get you 15/10/2.5 RIGHT NOW. Just because he's not Hakeem ****ing Olajuwon doesn't mean he isn't deserving of a big contract.
 
spycam1 said:
The hate Favors receives sometimes is just ridiculously bad.

He'll get you 15/10/2.5 RIGHT NOW. Just because he's not Hakeem ****ing Olajawon doesn't mean he isn't deserving of a big contract.
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Seriously. The Favors hate doesn't really make sense. Just because he had a bad Olympic scrimmage were it was clear he had some sort of injury (that or his speed and agility have magically reduced by a large margin at age 22).

Some people may not like it, but this is the hand we dealt ourselves and it's time to go all in. Try to extend now (if possible), or if they don't, see if they improve and if they make significant improvements re-sign them. Get them locked up for the future, then continue to develop Burks/Kanter/Burke/Gobert/New Draft picks. At some point we are probably going to have to package picks and some young guys together to get good veteran help. We can't just let go of our high potential guys (especially if they show steady improvement and willingness to work).
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Seriously. The Favors hate doesn't really make sense. Just because he had a bad Olympic scrimmage were it was clear he had some sort of injury (that or his speed and agility have magically reduced by a large margin at age 22).

Some people may not like it, but this is the hand we dealt ourselves and it's time to go all in. Try to extend now (if possible), or if they don't, see if they improve and if they make significant improvements re-sign them. Get them locked up for the future, then continue to develop Burks/Kanter/Burke/Gobert/New Draft picks. At some point we are probably going to have to package picks and some young guys together to get good veteran help. We can't just let go of our high potential guys (especially if they show steady improvement and willingness to work).
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It's worse than putting stock into Burke's SL performance. It's mind-numbingly painful to hear people complain about **** like this.
 
spycam1 said:
It's worse than putting stock into Burke's SL performance. It's mind-numbingly painful to hear people complain about **** like this.
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Honestly, I'm sure some people have had their back's tighten up on them before. You really can't move at all. He has been working out so much lately I'm sure he just had a little bit of workout fatigue.
 
Twin Towers said:
Doesn't matter how much better we think George is than Hayward.
I wasn't comparing the 2. This is what agents will do. They go look at the top end of the market than say Hayward deserves a certain percentage of what George's contract because he has shown that much.
It sucks because George is highly overrated right now. Very inefficient.
But that is besides the point.
George's contract will dictate what Hayward's contract will be.
Lets hope the Pacers don't over pay
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Then Hayward's agent will be laughed at. You can't compare the two. One is an All-Star. The other is a player who played most of last year as a BENCH PLAYER. And he wasn't in contention for 6th man of the year either. To compare the two is silly. Hayward's comparable players aren't All-Stars. Hayward isn't an All-Star. He won't be unless he is the third best player on a title team ala Ginobili.
 
spycam1 said:
The hate Favors receives sometimes is just ridiculously bad.

He'll get you 15/10/2.5 RIGHT NOW. Just because he's not Hakeem ****ing Olajuwon doesn't mean he isn't deserving of a big contract.
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He won't, because he can't keep out of foul trouble. Also, he has had foot problems, and now back problems...The two worst injuries a big can have. Favors market is around 10 million right now. If you pay him 14, you have gotten rid of a valuable bench player ala Foye. Is Favors good enough to sacrifice depth? Nope. Heck, odds are, he can't even stay on the floor for more than 25 minutes a night.

Lock Hayward up now, because his price will go up. Let Favors play his contract out, because if he is hurt, or can't stay on the floor because of fouls, he price will drop.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Seriously. The Favors hate doesn't really make sense. Just because he had a bad Olympic scrimmage were it was clear he had some sort of injury (that or his speed and agility have magically reduced by a large margin at age 22).

Some people may not like it, but this is the hand we dealt ourselves and it's time to go all in. Try to extend now (if possible), or if they don't, see if they improve and if they make significant improvements re-sign them. Get them locked up for the future, then continue to develop Burks/Kanter/Burke/Gobert/New Draft picks. At some point we are probably going to have to package picks and some young guys together to get good veteran help. We can't just let go of our high potential guys (especially if they show steady improvement and willingness to work).
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Who mentioned letting these guys go? I don't think one person has said we should let Hayward or Favors go. The debate has been sign now, or wait and risk overpaying next summer.
 
spycam1 said:
It's worse than putting stock into Burke's SL performance. It's mind-numbingly painful to hear people complain about **** like this.
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I don't agree with this at all. For three years we have watched Favors play, and his faults have been too many fouls, no offensive game, not a smart player. In the scrimmage we saw a bigger, slower Favors that...had too many fouls, no offensive game, and not playing smart. This reaction isn't to the Olympic scrimmage, but to the fact that here we are FOUR years later, and Favors hasn't improved. Now, no one is saying he sucks.

The debate is whether he is a good role player who deserves 10 million a year, or a great All-Star who can carry this team to titles and deserves a max deal. After seeing no improvement so far this summer, I'd am saying I would NOT pay him a max deal.

If Favors was a max player, even slightly hurt, he should have DOMINATED DeAndre Jordan, Ryan Andersen and Chandler Parsons. Those guys SUCK. And he didn't do anything. He isn't a max player. He had 4 personal fouls in 8 mins. Where is this improvement that shows he is going to lead us to titles? Or do you want another AK?
 
My guess is Favors was probably trying too hard to please Malone and ended up tweaking his back or something while working out. And like Malone he didn't want to say anything but unlike Malone he's not a genetic freak who can play through debilitating injuries.

Not a big deal either way.
 
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