What Will You Do If Dl Resigns Ty???
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fishonjazz
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20-25 or whatever the sticklers came up with is close enough to .500.
Someone mentioned they are on pace for 36 & 46 if they had a point guard all season. 36 wins is HUGE outperformance, especially since the Jazz have had the league's toughest schedule all season. Give an average NBA schedule and they're clearly a .500+ team.
Pretty hard to deny Ty's hand in the magic of 36 wins. The guy can't do anything to win with those who've hated him from the start.
Someone mentioned they are on pace for 36 & 46 if they had a point guard all season. 36 wins is HUGE outperformance, especially since the Jazz have had the league's toughest schedule all season. Give an average NBA schedule and they're clearly a .500+ team.
Pretty hard to deny Ty's hand in the magic of 36 wins. The guy can't do anything to win with those who've hated him from the start.
Sexual Favors
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It's 20-28 with Trey, I believe. Not close.
Most people throw out his first three games off injury, first two at minimum. It's a meager difference anyway -- 42% or 44%. Either one is nearly double outperformance than what was expected of Ty and his squad this season. I doubt many other coaches could have gotten this squad up to a 44% win rate. Maybe five other coaches is all.
Sexual Favors
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But you're not acknowledging that the wins were piling up during the easiest part of our schedule, and when we played teams that were missing their stars. Because we had the hardest schedule to start, it was inevitable that it slowed way down--and that's when we got healthy and got hot.
We're not close to a .500 team this year, no matter how thick your rose-colored glasses are.
Since games which include injuries magically don't count, it's only fair to return the favor and remove the following:
win vs. Phoenix (Bledsoe, Okafor, Barbosa)
win vs. Lakers (Kobe, Gasol, Young, Farmar)
win vs. Kings (Cousins, Gay)
win vs. Nuggets (Miller, Galinari, McGee, Robinson)
win vs. OKC (Ibaka)
Continuing that correction and applying it to all of the Jazz' games, I've got them with a record of 3 wins and 6 losses overall this season in "real" games. That's about 33%, which is close to 42-44%, which -- by this point -- we all know is essentially 50%. And since numbers within 6 to 8 percent of each other are basically the same, let's just call it what it is and say that the Jazz are -- for all intents and purposes -- a .580 team. That's good enough for 3rd place (in the East).
Please, anyone with the balls to step up and say they predicted before this season that the Jazz would be in 3rd place in March, go ahead and do so. And I'll call you a liar.
Suck it, haters.
win vs. Phoenix (Bledsoe, Okafor, Barbosa)
win vs. Lakers (Kobe, Gasol, Young, Farmar)
win vs. Kings (Cousins, Gay)
win vs. Nuggets (Miller, Galinari, McGee, Robinson)
win vs. OKC (Ibaka)
Continuing that correction and applying it to all of the Jazz' games, I've got them with a record of 3 wins and 6 losses overall this season in "real" games. That's about 33%, which is close to 42-44%, which -- by this point -- we all know is essentially 50%. And since numbers within 6 to 8 percent of each other are basically the same, let's just call it what it is and say that the Jazz are -- for all intents and purposes -- a .580 team. That's good enough for 3rd place (in the East).
Please, anyone with the balls to step up and say they predicted before this season that the Jazz would be in 3rd place in March, go ahead and do so. And I'll call you a liar.
Suck it, haters.
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It's pretty convenient to trash Trey's win record after a 3 game skid too. Just one week ago the Jazz were 20-22 (47.6%) with Trey as a full time starter. Favors and Hayward missed several games during that run but you're not bringing that up. Give them a few games to regress back to the mean and they'll probably be 23-25 (47.9%).
This team is a .500 team next season under Corbin without a single player addition. Trey, Burks, Favors, and Kanter continuing to grow and will assure that. So will the team growing and jelling in Corbin's system.
I don't get why everyone's hating on the team being a .500 team. The tank is long dead.
Those teams weren't intentionally built to lose though so how can we compare Trey's injury with no backup to a couple other teams?
Stifle Tower
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Well, by franklin's logic, Utah has two NBA championships (c'mon, we were close enough).
Ty has also led Utah to the playoffs the last three seasons (close enough). After all, when Sloan stepped down, Jazz were in playoff position. Not his fault the team finished poorly - so give Ty credit for the playoffs that season (close enough). And it certainly isn't Ty's fault that a veteran-laden team last year finished 12-12 in the months of March/April. Jazz were "close enough." After all, the goal in this league is to finish .500. It's those mean teams that had better records than Utah did in the Western Conference. All Utah needs to do is have a coach that can give them a .500 record and some day the rest of the league will come down to that level.
It's hilarious that 20-25 or however you want to spin this is "close enough" to .500. By all means give franklin's brother/uncle or whatever the relation a hefty new contract. Let's get "close enough" to .500 every year. And maybe the 3-yr decline in attendance can be adjusted by the people who were "close enough" to the ESA but didn't enter the building.
Ty has also led Utah to the playoffs the last three seasons (close enough). After all, when Sloan stepped down, Jazz were in playoff position. Not his fault the team finished poorly - so give Ty credit for the playoffs that season (close enough). And it certainly isn't Ty's fault that a veteran-laden team last year finished 12-12 in the months of March/April. Jazz were "close enough." After all, the goal in this league is to finish .500. It's those mean teams that had better records than Utah did in the Western Conference. All Utah needs to do is have a coach that can give them a .500 record and some day the rest of the league will come down to that level.
It's hilarious that 20-25 or however you want to spin this is "close enough" to .500. By all means give franklin's brother/uncle or whatever the relation a hefty new contract. Let's get "close enough" to .500 every year. And maybe the 3-yr decline in attendance can be adjusted by the people who were "close enough" to the ESA but didn't enter the building.
Sexual Favors
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It's jus one game.
It's just one season.
It's just one decade.
It's just one city.
It's just one franchise.
It's just one league.
It's just one season.
It's just one decade.
It's just one city.
It's just one franchise.
It's just one league.
Blaming Ty for the Jazz losing after blowing up the team mid-season is possibly the most illogical thing I've read here.
I called 34 wins before the season started. Looks like I had more faith in Ty than most.
Stifle Tower
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Where am I blaming him? I'm saying give him credit for making the playoffs. It was a difficult situation. But really, Harris and Favors came on board and replaced an injured Deron. I wouldn't call that "blowing up" the team. I doubt they would have made the playoffs, but a complete collapse shouldn't have happened. Ty had been an assistant for AGES under Sloan. He was preparing to be a head coach. There are a handful of other situations where a coach is fired, the assistant takes over and the team starts playing better. Didn't happen; Ty was unable to rally the team in what could have been a defining moment.
By all accounts, Corbin is a great assistant. The same thing happens in the NFL; there are amazing offensive and defensive coordinators who get a head coaching job and are overwhelmed. They get fired and go back to being coordinators and do a helluva job. Best of luck to Ty moving forward; I hope he gets on with another team as a #1 assistant. But he and his staff (Lowe and Sanders) really haven't made any kind of mark. You don't look at the Jazz and say, "wow, I really see some great defense being played," or "look at the efficient offense the Jazz are now playing."
Stifle Tower
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I think I was in that range, too, before the injury to Trey. I said the Jazz had an outside shot at a .500 record. RJ has been a surprise, Hayward a disappointment; Burke a discovery and Kanter an enigma.
DutchJazzer
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again with what horny is doing with phx.
i cant see why he could not atleast do that with utah.
but thats just like my opinion bro
Stifle Tower
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My problem with Ty isn't so much the W/L record. It's all about direction and purpose. If someone could please explain to me what Ty is implementing on offense and defense, I'd be grateful. With Sloan you saw a system. It was the P&R, the UCLA cuts. His defense was all about funneling guys inside. That defensive system is, of course, outdated in today's NBA. But my point is, you could spot a Jerry Sloan offense and defense. Maybe I'm just not knowledgeable enough, but I don't see a clear plan by Ty.