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Is it just me or has Royce O'Neale looked great so far? I think that DM's awesome amazingness eclipsed Royce's rookie season and how much of a bargain this guy is.

From what I've seen in the 2 PRESEASON GAMES so far he looks to have improved. Do y'all think he will continue to be a bargain for the Jazz and does he have starter potential?
 
I think he can be a starter, yes. Every team needs a Royce. He fits well to Coach Q's system because he knows what to do before he gets the ball.
His teammates also keep mentioning he has improved a lot this offseason. He certainly seemed 'sharper' to me.
I hope he avoids making rookie mistakes he did last year such as blowing open layups.
 
NAOS said:
Love Royce. When can we extend him? Gotta keep him here long-term.
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He's on a mil a year for the next two years i believe, I suggested last year he should be offered improved terms, its a very team friendly deal. For instance Neto's money would have been better spent on Royce.
 
colton said:
I think people often overlook how valuable it is with the salary cap to have a couple of good (contributing) players on bargain contracts.
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Really? I think close to 100% of people realize that our time to strike is NOW specifically because of the value in DM’s and Royce’s deals. That’s why everyone is talking about next summer. (Not just on this site, but, like, everyone).
 
Xthren said:
Netos money was spent on gobert. Everyone needs a little buddy.

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Yeah look and its probably not a terrible thing at the end of the day, Neto isn't a terrible player, makes good choices with the ball but he's only gonna play if someone gets injured. i thought he was pretty good in his 10 to 12 minutes a game last year and he's a tough little bastard, they're always handy to have around. Still i think Grayson plays ahead of him this year.
 
Good thread. I agree that royce has looked very good so far and improved from last year (even at the jazz scrimmage/open house thing he shot the ball pretty well iirc) and i also agree that being close with DM might help speed up his improvement.
 
Rubashov said:
He's on a mil a year for the next two years i believe, I suggested last year he should be offered improved terms, its a very team friendly deal. For instance Neto's money would have been better spent on Royce.
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And both years are team options - as a sign of good faith Jazz should guarantee both years now.

A little loyalty now might keep him in Utah long term.
 
Royce has elite level three and D potential. I'm expecting a huge jump from him this season.
 
candrew said:
And both years are team options - as a sign of good faith Jazz should guarantee both years now.

A little loyalty now might keep him in Utah long term.
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Agreed, a hell a lot of other years he'd have been a shot at making all rookie 2nd team. i can see him developing to the point where he starts and Joe moves to a Manu style role in two or three years.
 
Rubashov said:
Agreed, a hell a lot of other years he'd have been a shot at making all rookie 2nd team. i can see him developing to the point where he starts and Joe moves to a Manu style role in two or three years.
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Currently, the best shot our offense produces is one taken by Joe Ingles. And seeing that during last year he was still on an upward trajectory, he isn't going anywhere.
 
candrew said:
And both years are team options - as a sign of good faith Jazz should guarantee both years now.

A little loyalty now might keep him in Utah long term.
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The best thing for loyalty would be for them to decline next year so that they can give him a raise on a longer deal.
 
NAOS said:
Currently, the best shot our offense produces is one taken by Joe Ingles. And seeing that during last year he was still on an upward trajectory, he isn't going anywhere.
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I'm not sure why people think Joe could or should come off the bench long term. He's like the perfect glue starter. Great bench guys are generally guys that get their own like Lou Williams and Manu (though both can create for others they are very good at getting their own shot).
 
NAOS said:
Currently, the best shot our offense produces is one taken by Joe Ingles. And seeing that during last year he was still on an upward trajectory, he isn't going anywhere.
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I'm not advocating for Joe to go to the bench now or in the near future, I just see Royce if he continues to develop as his long term replacement at the 3. Joe at 34/35 coming off the bench and able to play 3 positions would be handy. I also think Joe at the moment has a better feel for the game when he starts, seems to have a better rhythm than when he comes off the bench. I think much like Manu Joe can probably play as long as he wants providing his body holds up, its not like he has any quickness to lose.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I'm not sure why people think Joe could or should come off the bench long term. He's like the perfect glue starter. Great bench guys are generally guys that get their own like Lou Williams and Manu (though both can create for others they are very good at getting their own shot).
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When Donovan gets paid in a couple of years the bench might not be as deep. It might end up a pretty close to 8 man rotation due to contracts. (I could be completely out of my mind but i don't think its beyond the realms of whats possible.)
 
NAOS said:
The best thing for loyalty would be for them to decline next year so that they can give him a raise on a longer deal.
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With Royce I believe we could extend him next year to the average salary or like 110% of the MLE... roughly like 4/40 or 4/45 with increases. It is the deal that Josh Richardson and Norman Powell got. If he continues to improve that would be justified.

I like Royce a lot, but he will be restricted and we should keep him at his current salary. We can lock him up long term and I think loyalty is a two way street... we gave him an opportunity, a contract, and helped him develop.

We could have max cap space this summer or next if we want to... Royce, DM, Joe, and Jae all on value deals (and Rudy... just good value at a high number) we have to capitalize on that flexibility. We could also do front loaded deals for Rubio (8% declines) and do a renegotiate and extend with Royce (similar to Robert Covington) but that takes up our space and needs to be a bargain on the back end of the deal to make it worth it.
 
Rubashov said:
When Donovan gets paid in a couple of years the bench might not be as deep. It might end up a pretty close to 8 man rotation due to contracts. (I could be completely out of my mind but i don't think its beyond the realms of whats possible.)
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That makes more sense. I'd still keep Joe in a starting role personally, but just less minutes. I think as a shooter, passer, and overall smart player he really enhances what our best players do. We might need more creators off the bench long term... I'm not sure Joe will be a creator at that point and I'd want a guy in that role that has more ability to create his own shot.
 
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