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I think Ricky is back either way and I think it will be a mild bargain deal (thinking 14-20 per year). I don't think he has a big market because he is so unique... he's not a guy that would work in every system.

I think our general plan is to go through the season and see if the opportunistic deal pops up for Tobias Harris, Aaron Gordon, Mirotic, Otto Porter. If not we go into free agency... we can waive Favs, keep Ricky's caphold (or re-sign him if his new deal is less than 18M per year) and have max space, but it might require us trading either Jae or Dante. If no options come we can pick up Favs deal, re-sign Ricky and run it back. Again look for opportunistic trades during the season.

The following year we'd have max space with Ricky and Dante still on the books because the cap will jump a bit and Jae comes off the books. So we have 24 months of hunting through FA/trades that adds salary. I think it might be more probable we trade for an expiring guy in a discounted trade than just outright signing someone.
 
Rubashov said:
If Ricky plays this year like he did the last half of last year, whats he worth? He's on 15 now, 17 to 20? Those last 3 months he went for 16ppg, 5 assists and 5 boards and he's only 27. Additionally, say you let him go, who would you replace him with? i'd be shocked if Ricky doesn't come back after this year but at what price? The real question is does Favors come back? I think he does.

In terms of Royce I'd definitely offer him the sort of number that Thabo is getting for next season maybe on a two year deal as an act of good faith. Easy to do of course when its not your money you're spending.
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It's not just money... it's cap space. We could extend him beyond the small salary years, pay him fairly and get the same good faith. It's guaranteed money... there is a timing difference but I'm sure he'd be super happy.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
That makes more sense. I'd still keep Joe in a starting role personally, but just less minutes. I think as a shooter, passer, and overall smart player he really enhances what our best players do. We might need more creators off the bench long term... I'm not sure Joe will be a creator at that point and I'd want a guy in that role that has more ability to create his own shot.
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This!
 
tfivas said:
Royce has elite level three and D potential. I'm expecting a huge jump from him this season.
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I hope he has a jump in 3-pt percentages and better finishing at the rim. I hope he doesn't try to do too much, though. I like what Quin has said about wanting each guy to do just a little better/more -- one less turnover, one more shot, one more block, whatever. If Royce starts trying to do too much it kind of takes away from how everything fits together. Like we don't want him to try to be Donovan for sure.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think Ricky is back either way and I think it will be a mild bargain deal (thinking 14-20 per year). I don't think he has a big market because he is so unique... he's not a guy that would work in every system.

I think our general plan is to go through the season and see if the opportunistic deal pops up for Tobias Harris, Aaron Gordon, Mirotic, Otto Porter. If not we go into free agency... we can waive Favs, keep Ricky's caphold (or re-sign him if his new deal is less than 18M per year) and have max space, but it might require us trading either Jae or Dante. If no options come we can pick up Favs deal, re-sign Ricky and run it back. Again look for opportunistic trades during the season.

The following year we'd have max space with Ricky and Dante still on the books because the cap will jump a bit and Jae comes off the books. So we have 24 months of hunting through FA/trades that adds salary. I think it might be more probable we trade for an expiring guy in a discounted trade than just outright signing someone.
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Sounds like the jazz have set themselves up quite well. Flexibility, options, and good contracts everywhere on the roster.
DL has done a very good job assembling the players on this team and the contracts. Future is very bright.

Of course it helps when your star is on a rookie deal and things will definitely get tougher when that contract becomes a max in a few years but as of right now the jazz are sitting pretty
 
NAOS said:
So what you said is based completely on speculation (i.e. your opinion of the "average jazz fan"), not on actual conversations?
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Why are you being a jerk? Of course my opinion of average Jazz fans comes through actual conversations I've had with people, both on Jazzfanz and in real life, along with people I've heard on radio And also from secondhand info from what people I've talked to have heard people saying. It's not from a scientific survey, if that's what you mean.
 
fishonjazz said:
Sounds like the jazz have set themselves up quite well. Flexibility, options, and good contracts everywhere on the roster.
DL has done a very good job assembling the players on this team and the contracts. Future is very bright.

Of course it helps when your star is on a rookie deal and things will definitely get tougher when that contract becomes a max in a few years but as of right now the jazz are sitting pretty
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Big time... they do have a window to pull the trigger on a significant win now addition... will they do it?

Imo they will need to sacrifice good for great at some point... the position we always eye is PF but it could be PG or wing (if we moved DM to PG). If Ricky’s shooting is a fluke and Dante looks more like bench material that might be the position we upgrade. If the Favs Ricky Rudy grouping struggles might have to move to full on stretch four mode. Sacrificing those guys is risky because there is a significant chance we get worse.

Next 24 months will be entertaining and really interesting.
 
Watcher said:
I hope he has a jump in 3-pt percentages and better finishing at the rim. I hope he doesn't try to do too much, though. I like what Quin has said about wanting each guy to do just a little better/more -- one less turnover, one more shot, one more block, whatever. If Royce starts trying to do too much it kind of takes away from how everything fits together. Like we don't want him to try to be Donovan for sure.
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I said 3&D, I'm expecting a better three point shooting year out of him and elevating his defense to an elite level.. I definitely don't want him doing too much on offense.
 
colton said:
Why are you being a jerk? Of course my opinion of average Jazz fans comes through actual conversations I've had with people, both on Jazzfanz and in real life, along with people I've heard on radio And also from secondhand info from what people I've talked to have heard people saying. It's not from a scientific survey, if that's what you mean.
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For gosh darn sake, where am I being a jerk?? Your experience is very different than mine, and I’m trying to understand what you’re telling us.

Serious question, above, btw. I’d appreciate direct quotes.
 
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