Jazz vs. Trail Blazers (8:30 MT on TNT)

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Cy's original point was that getting Collins and Nurkic back puts Portland back in contender status. I said, no, Nurkic doesn't do that for them and he went ballistic. In perfect Cy fashion he has morphed his argument to something else. Harkless/Aminu has nothing to do with it.

The Blazer's two best players are just as good, if not better than they were last year. Whiteside is filling in for Nurkic. The rest of the West just got a lot better, leaving the Blazers in the dust. Getting Nurkic, an average NBA starting center, back isn't going to be a league game changer.

My original post was calling you out for having no knowledge of Nurks impact on Portland. Didn't say **** about contending for championships.

And again, if you think Whiteside offers anything close to Nurk on either end you are a casual NBA fan who doesn't know how to evaluate basketball in the slightest.

 

[fishonjazz]

He played aggressively on both ends of the floor and to be fair, there were a few no call obvious fouls that would've sent him to the line.

Also, it was his first game and he was very much assuming the role of lost puppy on the court in regards to positioning and what to do in team sets.

True
In regards to the first game thing though..... He has been in the league for a long time and what he has been is an inefficient chucker who doesn't get to the line enough, rebound, or pass and turns it over too much

Maybe quin will magically change him or will just simply not care that he plays that way but that's kinda of who has been.

Again, for their careers Burks has been the better scorer (on less shots), rebounder, passer, and had less turnovers. And many people (including quin) hated Burks game.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

Still seems like you might fall into a rebound in 20 minutes just on accident.

Anywho even looking at their entire careers per 36 Burks averages more points (on less shots), rebounds, assists, less turnovers and gets to the line more and shoots better from 3 for 11 million less.

I'm just saying, even after he gets used to the system and teammates if he plays like he has the rest of his career then anyone who wasn't happy with Burks isn't going to be happy with Clarkson.

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AB needed a change of scenery. I think JC will give us something similar but the ball will be in his hands more. He will get a bump in perceived production by simply being not-Exum.

It was a great trade for us... just getting off Dante’s money was a great deal. Getting a useful player is a nice bonus.

We shouldn’t read anything into last nights performance. Quin stayed with him too long... he doesn’t know where to be or how to fit yet... I don’t expect him to be that shot hungry normally.

 

[Archie Moses]

I'd rather have a pre-injured Nurk than 2019 Whiteside. That said, no one knows what Nurks impact will be when he gets back. Even if he's 100% healthy, he had a dramatic injury that could **** with him mentally.

 

[fishonjazz]

People going off Clarksons box score lol. He easily got hacked on 3 of those attempts and did not get a call.

Please watch the game before making a judgement off someones game. He also literally just came in with 0 coaching before hand.

Or maybe people going off 7 years of data for Clarkson. Could be that too
Also, you made excuses for his poor shooting. Fair enough. Would he have had more assists and rebounds if not for the refs too? Did he jack up shots cause the refs made him? Or is that maybe who he is?

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[Handlogten's Heros]

True
In regards to the first game thing though..... He has been in the league for a long time and what he has been is an inefficient chucker who doesn't get to the line, rebound, or pass and turns it over too much

Maybe quin will magically change him or will just simply not care that he plays that way but that's kinda of who has been.

Again, for their careers Burks has been the better scorer (on less shots), rebounder, passer, and had less turnovers. And many people (including quin) hated Burks game.

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Quin might have suffered enough that he will be more patient?

 

[fishonjazz]

Quin might have suffered enough that he will be more patient?

Hopefully
I liked the trade and like Clarkson. Gotta let guys like him (and Burks) do their thing to a certain extent and live with some mistakes

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[Release the Kraken]

"Put a shrimp on the barbie" Best Inside the NBA interview evar!!!!
After the highlights:

 

[infection]

True
In regards to the first game thing though..... He has been in the league for a long time and what he has been is an inefficient chucker who doesn't get to the line enough, rebound, or pass and turns it over too much

Maybe quin will magically change him or will just simply not care that he plays that way but that's kinda of who has been.

Again, for their careers Burks has been the better scorer (on less shots), rebounder, passer, and had less turnovers. And many people (including quin) hated Burks game.

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Look up their per 36. Clarkson scores more points, shoots more threes, has more assists, has a better TS% and have equivalent turnovers. Burks has him best in rebounds. Now, I’m not making any argument here other than showing where they are in stat comparison. My guess is that Burks doesn’t have near as much gravity as he’s not known to pull up from anywhere and at any point. Not saying that’s good or bad, but it does change the defense.

 

[Jazzinho]

Hopefully
I liked the trade and like Clarkson. Gotta let guys like him (and Burks) do their thing to a certain extent and live with some mistakes

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I always believed that Quinn had a problem with rookies/Young guys, but then Donovan happened and in a couple months was our number one option so it is probably not it.

 

[Keefe]

Look up their per 36. Clarkson scores more points, shoots more threes, has more assists, has a better TS% and have equivalent turnovers. Burks has him best in rebounds. Now, I’m not making any argument here other than showing where they are in stat comparison. My guess is that Burks doesn’t have near as much gravity as he’s not known to pull up from anywhere and at any point. Not saying that’s good or bad, but it does change the defense.

You’re basing this off this year alone and about 30 games? Cause Clarkson’s numbers blow before this year. Not saying Burks are great, maybe they’re worse, but JC’s stink.

 

[Release the Kraken]

Hopefully
I liked the trade and like Clarkson. Gotta let guys like him (and Burks) do their thing to a certain extent and live with some mistakes

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Hopefully Quinn has changed some after watching what Kerr (a Hall of Fame Coach) is getting out of him in Golden State. It used to drive me crazy to have all that fire power sitting on the bench wasted. Still, I think it's valid to say that both Burks and Clarkson have turned a corner in their careers.

 

[infection]

You’re basing this off this year alone and about 30 games? Cause Clarkson’s numbers blow before this year. Not saying Burks are great, maybe they’re worse, but JC’s stink.

No, that’s all career numbers... and the fact that his numbers this year are that much better is just gravy.

 

[Release the Kraken]

Nobody seems to be talking about it but I was impressed with Clarkson's defense as much as anything. Nobody was able to go off on him or get by him that I could tell. No boards, but he did have a steal and only one TO in twenty minutes, which is not bad for all the navigating he did on a new foreign team.

 

[fishonjazz]

Look up their per 36. Clarkson scores more points, shoots more threes, has more assists, has a better TS% and have equivalent turnovers. Burks has him best in rebounds. Now, I’m not making any argument here other than showing where they are in stat comparison. My guess is that Burks doesn’t have near as much gravity as he’s not known to pull up from anywhere and at any point. Not saying that’s good or bad, but it does change the defense.

I thought I was looking at per 36 but I must have been getting mixed up. My bad. Burks has him in rebounds, turnovers, and getting to the line and 3 point percentage. Clarkson also takes over 3 more shots per 36 and I'm guessing has a higher usage. And Clarkson gets paid about 11 million more.

My main point though is that they are very similar players so if ya hated Burks then you will probably hate Clarkson.



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[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Burks was always one of my favorite players was always appreciative of what he brought to the team. He had his imperfections but then everyone but 5-6 players have imperfections in their games.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Basically I know JC is flawed but he does one thing really well and our bench needs it in a bad way

 

[SCS]

Nobody seems to be talking about it but I was impressed with Clarkson's defense as much as anything. Nobody was able to go off on him or get by him that I could tell. No boards, but he did have a steal and only one TO in twenty minutes, which is not bad for all the navigating he did on a new foreign team.

I mentioned this last night during the game. I was impressed as well. I don't think he's a great defender. But he was giving great effort and focus on that end. That's good to see and hopefully it continues.

 

[SoUjazzfan]

Basically I know JC is flawed but he does one thing really well and our bench needs it in a bad way

I think what fish is trying to say is we could have gotten the same thing from Burks for much less if he'd have gotten the chance to play through his mistakes.

 

[infection]

I think what fish is trying to say is we could have gotten the same thing from Burks for much less if he'd have gotten the chance to play through his mistakes.

But we couldn’t have dumped Exum’s contract for Burks.