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2021 NBA Draft Preview (new thread)

NUMBERICA said:
The nice thing (perhaps) is his getting on the court would Be contingent on earning it. I’m not worried about him getting to the rim and I would chastise him taking mid-range shots at this stage in his career. His job would be to take open 3s, and if closed out hard on, drive it and make a play. I don’t think in his early career he’d be a priority in an opponent’s scouting report which should buy him some opportunity to work out some of the finer points and skills between his shooting, vision, and passing.

As far as raw production, he played 24 minutes a game and stats tend to be more depressed in European leagues/style of play. And I’m also not looking for him to come in as a star. I actually don’t mind prospects with high upside coming in as role players because there is less adjustment.

Time is on his side on working out the shortcomings while having a skill set that could get him on the court immediately.
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I certainly wouldn't object to the Jazz taking him, though there are also some others I like in this draft.
 
Vrenz is participating in the Jazz/Wolves group workouts in Minnesota this week. He'll be working out against bonafide 2nd round prospects--like Luke Garza, Aaron Henry, Jericho Sims, Moses Wright, Neemias Queta, etc. We'll see what he looks like next to NBA athletes.
 
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Assuming the Jazz stay at #30, their pick should be one of the following 10 guys:
-- Guards: Butler, Dosunmu, Mann, Christopher, Hyland
-- Wings: Murphy, Thor, Prkacin, Brown, Bleijenberg

At least 4 of those guys should be available when the Jazz pick.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Vrenz is participating in the Jazz/Wolves group workouts in Minnesota this week. He'll be working out against bonafide 2nd round prospects--like Luke Garza, Aaron Henry, Jericho Sims, Moses Wright, Neemias Queta, etc. We'll see what he looks like next to NBA athletes.
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Garza isn’t an nba athlete imo
 
idiot said:
He's been on the radar of several (certainly not all) draft-oriented sites for a while now. Some see him as a late first-rounder to mid-second rounder. Here's why I think he's not an obvious first rounder:

- Strength. Getting a good weight reading on him is hard, but it's not a stretch to imagine that he's still south of 200 lbs. Unlike Poku last year, he's not the youngest guy in the draft (he's 20, I think), either. He may be able to get the weight/strength he needs to survive in the NBA, but it's not a given. Since he has basically no mid-range game, he's going to have to prove that he can finish at the rim at least adequately.

-Shot. He has to shoot it to survive, I think, and there are real questions about this. I happen to be optimistic, but there are no guarantees.

-Toughness. I think he plays with a good motor/energy, but that's not the same as saying he has NBA toughness. Given his lack of strength, he has a lot to prove.

-Production. Given the rather mediocre league he plays in, stat lines of just under 10 points, 5 rebounds, .6 blocks a game on 38% from the field aren't setting the scouting world on fire. He'd be drafted much more on potential than production at this point.

(I should say that I buy his height. I also think he will be able to survive on defense if the toughness/strength issues work themselves out. He's quick enough and long enough to be effective. I didn't see any glaring issues from the game I was able to watch of him from a season ago (below). Incidentally, he spent some time guarding our old friend Shelvin Mack in that game. But he's by no means a Kirilenko type defensively. If he succeeds defensively, it's coming first on the perimeter rather than the interior.)



EDIT: Vrenz first checks into the game at about the 27:00 mark. In the second half I think he similarly plays near the end of the third quarter and into much of the fourth.
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If Vrenz Bleijenberg's measurements are real, he's the same size as JT Thor, minus one inch of wingspan. He claims to be 6'10" w/o shoes, 208 lbs, with a 7'2" wingspan.

I think he's a 3.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Vrenz handles, passes and moves better than today's version of Porzingis. Vrenz is a wing.
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I doubt he’ll be able to remotely defend the good wings in the league though. I mean, the rebounding numbers alone are a major red flag. Even if he is planted at the 3 point line.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
If Vrenz Bleijenberg's measurements are real, he's the same size as JT Thor, minus one inch of wingspan. He claims to be 6'10" w/o shoes, 208 lbs, with a 7'2" wingspan.

I think he's a 3.
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Thor is 6'8.5" w/out shoes. I'm buying Vrenz as 6-10 with shoes. More skeptical on without shoes.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
I doubt he’ll be able to remotely defend the good wings in the league though. I mean, the rebounding numbers alone are a major red flag. Even if he is planted at the 3 point line.
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I think he has a chance at guarding wings. Did you watch the game video I posted? I don't think the movement skills are at issue. It will just be the strength, desire, and experience to do it that he needs to prove at the NBA level.
 
idiot said:
I think he has a chance at guarding wings. Did you watch the game video I posted? I don't think the movement skills are at issue. It will just be the strength, desire, and experience to do it that he needs to prove at the NBA level.
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I did. I like what I see offensively. But as good as he looked, his stats aren’t really that impressive. Why is that? I’m guessing he’s not the strongest of mind. Idk.
 
I'm starting to think that #30 is going to come down to Ayo Dosunmu, Vrenz Bleijenberg and Greg Brown.
Assuming that Roko, Thor and Murphy are gone.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
So @Saint Cy of JFC have you put your "Cy's Guis" stamp of approval on anyone in particular this year yet?
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Joe Wieskamp is the one I've been higher on than anyone else since his Freshman year. He's getting more hype now that he had a good combine. He's this year's Kuzma-y type pick.

Josh Christopher and Jaden Springer are two dudes who I'm high on who have been mocked as dropping. If they are somehow are there at 30, I would take either of them over basically anyone who has a chance to be available.

Then guys like Thor/Murphy/Roko are dudes I'm also high on who could be in the Jazz's range if they get lucky.

I'm super high on Moses Moody, but he's way out of the Jazz's range. He's the one guy I would advocate giving up stuff to move up for if he somehow slips out of the lottery, but I don't think it's really feasible. To me Moody is a top 5 guy who I've seen going as late as 15 in some mocks, but I assume he's going to go lottery near guaranteed.

Also Yves Pons would be a deep sleeper for me. Not every mock has him being drafted, but he's an elite small ball 5 type defender. He's probably the only legitimate 1-5 defender in the draft and he's an absolute freak athlete with insane strength and mobility.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Joe Wieskamp is the one I've been higher on than anyone else since his Freshman year. He's getting more hype now that he had a good combine. He's this year's Kuzma-y type pick.

Josh Christopher and Jaden Springer are two dudes who I'm high on who have been mocked as dropping. If they are somehow are there at 30, I would take either of them over basically anyone who has a chance to be available.

Then guys like Thor/Murphy/Roko are dudes I'm also high on who could be in the Jazz's range if they get lucky.

I'm super high on Moses Moody, but he's way out of the Jazz's range. He's the one guy I would advocate giving up stuff to move up for if he somehow slips out of the lottery, but I don't think it's really feasible. To me Moody is a top 5 guy who I've seen going as late as 15 in some mocks, but I assume he's going to go lottery near guaranteed.

Also Yves Pons would be a deep sleeper for me. Not every mock has him being drafted, but he's an elite small ball 5 type defender. He's probably the only legitimate 1-5 defender in the draft and he's an absolute freak athlete with insane strength and mobility.
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Has there been a player that you’ve whiffed on in the past couple of years? I feel like guys you’ve really hyped or stood behind have turned out pretty good.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Joe Wieskamp is the one I've been higher on than anyone else since his Freshman year. He's getting more hype now that he had a good combine. He's this year's Kuzma-y type pick.

Josh Christopher and Jaden Springer are two dudes who I'm high on who have been mocked as dropping. If they are somehow are there at 30, I would take either of them over basically anyone who has a chance to be available.

Then guys like Thor/Murphy/Roko are dudes I'm also high on who could be in the Jazz's range if they get lucky.

I'm super high on Moses Moody, but he's way out of the Jazz's range. He's the one guy I would advocate giving up stuff to move up for if he somehow slips out of the lottery, but I don't think it's really feasible. To me Moody is a top 5 guy who I've seen going as late as 15 in some mocks, but I assume he's going to go lottery near guaranteed.

Also Yves Pons would be a deep sleeper for me. Not every mock has him being drafted, but he's an elite small ball 5 type defender. He's probably the only legitimate 1-5 defender in the draft and he's an absolute freak athlete with insane strength and mobility.
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You think Pons could handle (nominally) playing the 5 full time? I know 0 besides what you just mentioned and some surface level metrics, but 6’ 6” 215 doesn’t look like it would hold up on the surface and his shooting looks like it’s regressed (not a great sign that it’s going to come along).

If he can hold down the backup nominal 5 spot OR can believably develop a catch-and-shoot 3, then it sounds like a great prospect.
 
All the dudes that excite me most and could reliably be available at 30 (Vrenz, Murphy, Thor) seem like they could also be available in the 2nd round. Given that 2nd rounders have team-friendlier contracts and that the Jazz are certainly looking to dump Favors into cap-space and will have to send an asset(s), we should probably be thinking more about the 2nd round than #30.
 
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