Preference for final roster move for the Jazz (poll)

[KqWIN]

If you had Galloway and its working I could see him and JB being the answer to replacing JC. I think it comes down to whether or not Quin will play JB. Galloway's defense was good in Detroit as well... I remember always coming away with how hard he was playing even though they sucked.

If you choose between JC and Bogey I think its not really close imo. I think Bogey can be a 30 minute a night guy on a championship team... he can just integrate better with others. I think JC's role gets smaller as you go farther in the playoffs. He's a great innings eater in the regular season and if he comes in smoking hot in the playoffs he can win you a game. If you could flip JC for Smart I think you are as close to a complete team as possible... given the limitations of our stars. The contracts are tough to lineup and JC is a tough guy to see where he'd have interest.

Well you forgot to mention that JC is the coolest player in the league and possibly all time which makes it a much tougher decision. Can't disagree with your on court assessment, however. I agree that JC for Smart gives us the most complete team

One situation that popped up is Collin Sexton's injury. CLE is 7-4 and I bet they would throw a parade if they can keep this going and make the playoffs. They also have Lauri Markannen which was a weird fit to begin with. I think that opens up some more potential 3 way trades because Lauri could be sent to a third team that's in more of rebuilding mode.

Maybe SAS could be a Lauri destination. Derrick White could be someone to keep an eye. The advanced numbers love this guy and I've heard him described as Marcus Smart who isn't a dumbass on offense. I don't have a strong opinion on him, but that would be a similar type of deal.

 

[LogGrad98]

As much as I love JC, I could get behind a JC for Smart swap. Come playoffs the defense and nasty is worth more than the straight offense with not much else.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Well you forgot to mention that JC is the coolest player in the league and possibly all time which makes it a much tougher decision. Can't disagree with your on court assessment, however. I agree that JC for Smart gives us the most complete team

One situation that popped up is Collin Sexton's injury. CLE is 7-4 and I bet they would throw a parade if they can keep this going and make the playoffs. They also have Lauri Markannen which was a weird fit to begin with. I think that opens up some more potential 3 way trades because Lauri could be sent to a third team that's in more of rebuilding mode.

Maybe SAS could be a Lauri destination. Derrick White could be someone to keep an eye. The advanced numbers love this guy and I've heard him described as Marcus Smart who isn't a dumbass on offense. I don't have a strong opinion on him, but that would be a similar type of deal.

That's an interesting thought. White is good... absolutely the type of guy we need. Would do that deal. He's kind of a perfect third guard for us... which makes me sad because we could have had him instead of TB.

I do recognize JC is the best so there is definitely a locker room aspect to this that would be gutting. The deal would have to be good. Not sure there would be a deal as good as the one laid out above but I don't think its crazy. JC would give them some Sexton insurance as well should his price tag get wild this summer.

 

[KqWIN]

That's an interesting thought. White is good... absolutely the type of guy we need. Would do that deal. He's kind of a perfect third guard for us... which makes me sad because we could have had him instead of TB.

I do recognize JC is the best so there is definitely a locker room aspect to this that would be gutting. The deal would have to be good. Not sure there would be a deal as good as the one laid out above but I don't think its crazy. JC would give them some Sexton insurance as well should his price tag get wild this summer.

Why would we draft someone who could play right away and fill a need when we can draft a C who for sure won’t be ready for at least 2-3 years?

This way we can sign a backup C who we definitely won’t have to trade picks to get rid of later. And we definitely won’t end up trading picks to get rid of the prospect C either…..

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Why would we draft someone who could play right away and fill a need when we can draft a C who for sure won’t be ready for at least 2-3 years?

This way we can sign a backup C who we definitely won’t have to trade picks to get rid of later. And we definitely won’t end up trading picks to get rid of the prospect C either…..

But at least the center had no differentiating skill or measurable.

 

[KqWIN]

If this Jaylen Brown for Ben Simmons trade gets done, I think it makes a Smart trade more likely as well.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If this Jaylen Brown for Ben Simmons trade gets done, I think it makes a Smart trade more likely as well.

That was very clearly a Morey fed rumor to help him artificially try and pump BS' value. Unless they throw in like every pick they can there is no way that deal happens. Ben is either pouting and being an *** or having severe mental health issues... both will depress his trade market.

If Celtics did move Brown it would be in a move for Beal imo... get Tatum his bestie. Brown's value >>>>> Ben Simmons value.

 

[KqWIN]

That was very clearly a Morey fed rumor to help him artificially try and pump BS' value. Unless they throw in like every pick they can there is no way that deal happens. Ben is either pouting and being an *** or having severe mental health issues... both will depress his trade market.

If Celtics did move Brown it would be in a move for Beal imo... get Tatum his bestie. Brown's value >>>>> Ben Simmons value.

I had the same thoughts and still do…but then I saw people actually liking that trade for both teams on Twitter. This whole debacle has not been good for Ben or his value, but it’s easy to forget how much the basketball world values Ben Simmons. He’s a three time all star and made an all NBA team. Way more accomplished than Jaylen.

Can’t say I agree with that evaluation, but there are still people out there that think Ben is one of the better players in the league. I mean…it was just last year that he was getting propagandized into being DPOY.

 

[LogGrad98]

Provided we could make money work, obviously we can't, but if we could, would you trade JC and [filler] for Simmons? How far is Simmons' stock falling? My bet is it ends up pretty low.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I had the same thoughts and still do…but then I saw people actually liking that trade for both teams on Twitter. This whole debacle has not been good for Ben or his value, but it’s easy to forget how much the basketball world values Ben Simmons. He’s a three time all star and made an all NBA team. Way more accomplished than Jaylen.

Can’t say I agree with that evaluation, but there are still people out there that think Ben is one of the better players in the league. I mean…it was just last year that he was getting propagandized into being DPOY.

He's really good but has extreme fit issues on one side of the court. For about 15-18 teams that aren't that great it should not be an issue... he's a great floor raiser. For the teams with the biggest goals the fit is an issue. If I was a GM I'd have worries about his health (lots of back issues) and his competitiveness. Not that he is lazy but he seems to have some mental issues that may limit him.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Provided we could make money work, obviously we can't, but if we could, would you trade JC and [filler] for Simmons? How far is Simmons' stock falling? My bet is it ends up pretty low.

They will end up with a better return than that. I think it ends up being something like CJ McCollum and maybe a small sweetner or something along those lines. Worst case they spin him off to a team like NOP/OKC/Orlando/Minny for some win now role players and a bevy of firsts to use in another deal.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Perimeter defense is over rated in the playoffs. Team defense is far more important than getting one good defender on the perimeter. Every team will just run some screens to get the defender they want on the player they want. We have had decent or good wing defenders over the years and even our current guys have been good at times. Joe was amazing a few years ago against guys in the playoffs. Even last year Bogie was really good against Kawhi. I do think we could use more athleticism but not at the cost of getting a worse player. Better players will help you win more. The team just needs to engage more on that end, but I think we are seeing that this year. JC and Mitchell are much more active on defense and I think that will be more true in the playoffs.

JC is always a guy that worries me though. He gets hot and shoots well for a bit but overall he is a pretty poor shooter and forces it too much. He also doesnt pass and kills the second unit and players like Ingles suffer with him on the court. This is more true in the playoffs, but he also brings something that really helps in a consistent scorer off the bench who isnt shy or passive. I could see us trading him or Bogie if a player we like better comes along.

We might make a fringe roster move but I would be shocked if we moved any piece that was part of our core rotation this year unless this team falls apart. But I dont see us falling apart.