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Does anyone still like this team?

Yes I hate this team and would like this pathetic iteration that accomplished nothing but disappointment to be done.
 
Mitchell sucks.

Hero ball.

Bad defense.

Poor shot selection.

It's almost as if I said it when he was a rookie (and started with the worst fg% of all-time) and I was a moron for saying that.


Mmmkay.

I can't deal with stupid so I don't post much.
 
Nope... I hate to say it but do not like this team. Last year I think I missed like 10 games all year and this year I've missed most. Between the immature drama between our two so called leaders, to a boring offense that is nothing but the 3 ball, to lazy defense outside of one guy, to Royce O'Neal playing 30+ minutes and doing hardly anything, to absolutely no leadership, to Quin being so set in his stubborn ways that there will never be change.


Despite additions we've basically had the same team sane results for 4+ years now and this year's team may just be the worst of them all when it should be the best.

We'll see though. Maybe they will get it together come playoffs but I doubt it
 
SteakNEggs said:
Nope... I hate to say it but do not like this team. Last year I think I missed like 10 games all year and this year I've missed most. Between the immature drama between our two so called leaders, to a boring offense that is nothing but the 3 ball, to lazy defense outside of one guy, to Royce O'Neal playing 30+ minutes and doing hardly anything, to absolutely no leadership, to Quin being so set in his stubborn ways that there will never be change.


Despite additions we've basically had the same team sane results for 4+ years now and this year's team may just be the worst of them all when it should be the best.

We'll see though. Maybe they will get it together come playoffs but I doubt it
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I rarely missed games. Now I rarely watch them in their entirety. I too find the 3 ball no defense stuff boring. Feels like we’re watching the rockets play. I miss post ups, guys taking it to the rack and dunking, and actually valuing possessions. I also don’t get why we drafted Butler when we could’ve had Herb Jones. And then trading for another Butler/Clarkson at the deadline. Half our roster seems to be the exact same undersized player. Do we really need 6 jordan Clarksons?
 
The Thriller said:
I rarely missed games. Now I rarely watch them in their entirety. I too find the 3 ball no defense stuff boring. Feels like we’re watching the rockets play. I miss post ups, guys taking it to the rack and dunking, and actually valuing possessions. I also don’t get why we drafted Butler when we could’ve had Herb Jones. And then trading for another Butler/Clarkson at the deadline. Half our roster seems to be the exact same undersized player. Do we really need 6 jordan Clarksons?
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I don't miss post ups. I do miss valuing possessions more.
 
SteakNEggs said:
Nope... I hate to say it but do not like this team. Last year I think I missed like 10 games all year and this year I've missed most. Between the immature drama between our two so called leaders, to a boring offense that is nothing but the 3 ball, to lazy defense outside of one guy, to Royce O'Neal playing 30+ minutes and doing hardly anything, to absolutely no leadership, to Quin being so set in his stubborn ways that there will never be change.


Despite additions we've basically had the same team sane results for 4+ years now and this year's team may just be the worst of them all when it should be the best.

We'll see though. Maybe they will get it together come playoffs but I doubt it
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All of this. I’ve never missed as many games as this season and it’s rarely on my radar.

I essentially started the season thinking “I don’t care about the regular season, all that matters is how this team does in the playoffs”.

But what you said above is what I’ve seen in the 10-15 games I’ve watched and it’s just tiring.
 
What I'm getting from this thread sounds like this.

May people don't like this team this year (and prior years) because they should be better than they are showing on the floor, and off the floor.
Off the floor there should be more grown up handling of things and professionalism... as they are adults and whatnot.

On the floor there are many issues.
There should be more passing, even to the big guys down low including Gobert.
More players should exert themselves physically and mentally on defense.
More blender, more variety in the plays, more dunks, more posters, more fights.
More leadership.
Less O'Neale. Less greenlight for Clarkson unless he's hot.

Front office
Fire Ainge, don't hire any other BYU alums, sell the team to a non BYU alum, expunge DL's history from the team history
Fire Quin, hire pretty much anyone else.
Trade pretty much everyone, blow it up and start from Kings level... I mean ground zero.
Don't do whatever they have done, and do whatever they haven't done.

Coaching
Win a championship
Don't run whatever plays they run right now
Change philosophies, each game to keep it interesting
Play everyone less and more at the same time
Listen to Alex more
Have better lineups out there


I'm sure I missed a few.

FYI - Quin is the only other Jazz coach to have a winning record over .500 other than Sloan.

I think people are bored because we are used to winning for the most part, and now we want to win it all or at least get to the WCF to be satisfied.
 
I am so indifferent to this team it is sad. I have been a jazz fan since the early 1980s. I have been there through thick and thin but this team is just so frustrating. I don't watch any game but will look up the score if they win I am like ok good. If they lose I am like oh well better luck next time.

What also makes it hard is I am a Los Angeles Chargers fan and their window to win a ring is open right now. So a lot of my energies are spent there.

Also have seen a lot of trade ideas to send Mitchell to NY and they get back Randle and picks thing that NY if going to build around Mitchell and Barrett. If the Jazz trade Mitchell and not get Barrett back it is a failure.
 
Quick question I'm throwing out to the community:

Does anybody have an example of a low efficiency/high usage player that became a high efficiency player with lower usage?

I'm curious in general, but Jazz related people have talked about NAW or Gay in the past as possibly becoming more efficient on our team as their usage went down. It makes some logical sense as those players would be less likely to need to force shots at lower usages. I just can't think of any examples of that actually happening. Thanks in advance.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
Quick question I'm throwing out to the community:

Does anybody have an example of a low efficiency/high usage player that became a high efficiency player with lower usage?

I'm curious in general, but Jazz related people have talked about NAW or Gay in the past as possibly becoming more efficient on our team as their usage went down. It makes some logical sense as those players would be less likely to need to force shots at lower usages. I just can't think of any examples of that actually happening. Thanks in advance.
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Good question. Does Wiggins count? He went from total greenlight in Minny to having to fit in GS. I don't know his numbers, but he might be an example.



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I love Conley and Bogey but looking back I think I actually preferred watching the Rubio/Crowder team more than this current one. That team definitely wasn't anywhere near as good offensive/shooting wise, but it seemed like they played harder and had more personality and fight/grit than this team does. That group was less talented for sure but in my opinion, they had more heart. 2017/18 will forever be one of my favorite Jazz seasons and the OKC series will forever be one of my favorite playoff series' ever.
 
I feel like I did circa 2001 with those old Jazz teams whose window you knew was pretty much closed but had hopes they'd somehow surprise.

It's remarkable how much has changed in just a year. Utah went from looking like one of the elite teams to turning right back into what they've been the last 20+ years: good but never great.

I think that defines the Jazz franchise post-S&M. They're durable, consistent but they ain't gonna get it done.

Denver, Phoenix, Dallas, Portland, SA, Houston and the LA teams likely all have a higher ceiling than the Jazz. At least until they draft one of the greatest PGs and PFs of all-time.

It sucks but now more than ever I'm convinced this is as good as it gets.

The big difference between the 2001 vibes and today, though, is that back in 2001, I at least still had memories of experiencing the Jazz at the highest of highs. Now? It's but a faded memory. The Jazz has now gone longer without a NBA Finals appearance (24 years) as it took the team to make the Finals for the first-time in franchise history once relocating to SLC (18 years).

Think about how they sold that 1997 NBA Finals run. It was basically the long culmination of a franchise's struggle to the top. Their day had finally come!

Now realize we haven't sniffed getting back to that point in 6 years LONGER than it took to reach that point for the first time.

Yikes.
 
Jingled said:
I love Conley and Bogey but looking back I think I actually preferred watching the Rubio/Crowder team more than this current one. That team definitely wasn't anywhere near as good offensive/shooting wise, but it seemed like they played harder and had more personality and fight/grit than this team does. That group was less talented for sure but in my opinion, they had more heart. 2017/18 will forever be one of my favorite Jazz seasons and the OKC series will forever be one of my favorite playoff series' ever.
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I think conley and bogey both have plenty of heart and grit. They just have weaknesses and limitations that are hard to overcome. Kind of like rubio and crowder. Would be awesome if we could combine conley with rubio and crowder with bogey. That would make for 2 pretty awesome 2 way players.
 
Ineptimusprime said:
Well, after seven pages JazzFanz feels fairly evenly split between people who don’t like this team and people who are still pretending to like this team.
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I still like this team. No pretending. And if the jazz go on a big run all the people who didnt like this team suddenly will again. If they go deep in the playoff then suddenly those who didnt like this team might actually like this team more than any other iteration.

Winning cures a lot


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Craziest thing to me about the Jazz and that they are the smartest team in the NBA and also kind of dumb.

By that I mean, they mathematically are basketball geniuses. They primarily take high value shots only with a very rare discipline.

But they are also collectively one of the worst passing teams in the NBA. Seem slow to recognize passes. No one on the team is really impressive as a passer. Donovan certainly has flashes and is extremely capable of high level drive and kick passes, but the dude misses so many assist opportunities because his best talent is laser focused volume scoring. Despite being one of the best offenses of all time, the Jazz are 27th in assist per game.

I think as Jazz fan's we have been programmed to overvalue the assist and inflates its importance, but I think the Jazz need to be better than 27th. It's crazy that the offense is so ****ing good, yet there is still realistic room for improvement. The loss of Ingles was huge in this regard.

I think we kind of underrate how good Quin is in this regard.
 
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