Well here’s the thing: that can still happen.Search around and Knicks fans will tell you that their roster with RJ gets them nowhere. If Knicks would have gone three unprotected and two protected, we may have budged.
Basically this… these assholes gonna drag this out forever. Tomorrow will never be today.But yeah, I think talks will chill for a minute. But no one can convince me this is over.
90% of Knicks fans love RJ… I mean 95% of them are dumbasses but still.Search around and Knicks fans will tell you that their roster with RJ gets them nowhere. If Knicks would have gone three unprotected and two protected, we may have budged.
They are supposed to report the Jazz side of this/response to this.I’m not exactly sure what they’re supposed to report.
At a certain point you gotta use some intuition. The Knicks master plan for years has been to amass draft capital to go after a star, ideally a CAA guy, and ideally someone that actually wants to play in that ********.
So now the Knicks are just walking away from the table for all of time? Because a guy that for most of this wasn’t considered to be seriously in discussion?
Soonest is right before training camp.Feels like the soonest a deal gets done now is the February trade deadline.
They like him, but they also know that a lineup of Brunson/RJ/Toppin/Randle/Robinson gets you... maybe the 7 or 8 seed at best.90% of Knicks fans love RJ… I mean 95% of them are dumbasses but still.
I am team “we don’t want RJ.” I think we want a war chest of picks and young players.Soonest is right before training camp.
Would love to know New York’s final offer. If it was Barrett, 2 unprotected picks and 3 protected picks then Ainge is an *******.
Besides the possibility of getting lame duck Donovan because Ainge is irrational, the biggest problem with the idea that talks are dead for a few weeks is what implications it has on the potential Lakers deal. This is on two fronts:I am team “we don’t want RJ.” I think we want a war chest of picks and young players.
I am interested in seeing if we start selling off the older players now that Mitchell talks are going on pause for a while. The cats out of the bag now on the tank, and we can tank now with Don. Best to cash in Bogey, Beasley, Clarkson, and Conley for whatever assets we can get.
How is Ainge being irrational? Donovan Mitchell is worth more than RJ Barrett, junk matching salary, and two unprotected FRPs.Besides the possibility of getting lame duck Donovan because Ainge is irrational, the biggest problem with the idea that talks are dead for a few weeks is what implications it has on the potential Lakers deal. This is on two fronts:
-are the Jazz gonna have the courage to still complete the deal and shed any pretense that they’re not tanking?
-there may be Knick pieces that would put the deal over the top for the Lakers.
I assume the Knicks were eyeing this and thinking it might be leverage in their internal calculations. Either way, I don’t think the Lakers are gonna wait forever.
I’m so sick of this ****.
This is the way.Just another idea to toss in here:
-'23 and '26 unprotected
-'23 Mavs (protected) pick
-'25 and '27 super swaps (Knicks receive the worst of all the picks owned by the Jazz)
-'28 protected else swaps in '28 and '29
That last part is the thing I think is interesting if even possible. The idea here is that if the pick falls into the protected range (say it's #7 and it's top-10 protected), then the Jazz have swap rights (meaning they would still get #7 but send their later pick that year) and get the next year's, too. This would mean that the Knicks could not tank out of owing a high pick but it could be sold as a protected pick to save face but it would actually advantage the Jazz.
The headline/summary of the trade is "Knicks acquire star Donovan Mitchell for four 1st round picks". The first layer of details are that they are 'two unprotected 1st round picks (what's being floated as their current offer), two protected first round picks, and swaps."
I'm just trying to think creatively so as to make the parties as comfortable as possible to get this ****er done.
The Jazz wanting or not wanting Barrett has been tossed around ad nauseam with everyone "in the know" having a different take. If the Jazz did want him Ainge got his chops busted for playing games and holding out so long. If they dont want him, the trade could easily still go down. I am not convince we wanted Barrett despite what WoJ is reporting.Some key takeaways from Woj article:
- Jazz valued Barrett.
- Jazz/Knicks are no longer engaged on trade talks.
- Real chance Donovan is on the Jazz roster going into camp.
I’m gonna have to do an analysis of the PPP but it seems like the Lakers being the 3rd team would actually work just fine.This really isn’t that big of a hurdle. If anything I really like that extension number for RJ.
I literally just ran the numbers and:
RJ + Rose + Sims + McBride works for Donovan + NAW
The minimum amount the Knicks would have to send back salary wise is $28,289,130.
Those four players equal $28,624,725 as outgoing salary.
The maximum amount the Jazz could take in while sending out those two is $44,201,766.
Those four players equal $43,924,090 as incoming salary.
We could find a third team to take Sims or McBride if we wanted to. This is just one idea I have found that would work already.