fishonjazz
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Don't care. Investigation. Guilty pleas. Convictions. Sentences. Success.
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Don't care. Investigation. Guilty pleas. Convictions. Sentences. Success.
Al-O-Meter
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I don't support Trump. I wish he would go away. Nearly everything he says makes me cringe. I think the GOP and Trump's supporters are moronic for pushing him to the lead in the nomination. Is that clear enough?
I would even vote for Nikki Haley over Trump, and Nikki Haley was on the corporate board of Boeing who I think is one of the most abhorrent American corporations for the way they have used the lobbying system to corrupt the American government. Even Nikki Haley is above Trump on my list of candidates to lead the United States.
Mongoose
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Exactly- "but the norms", "but the norms"... We have to bust all the norms (and the law) to stop him. Dems just admit it now, I guess they have to?
SteakNEggs
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No I'm not...
But for the record and receipts. Trump didn't collude with Putin/Russia right?
SteakNEggs
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By all means enlighten me. Show me. Let's see it. That is the issue here. None of you ever back up your claims. I can and will gladly back up mine. You guys make claims and call other childish names yet when I ask for proof you guys run away and getting even meaner and nastier with your sheer unfettered hatred towards people who think differently. You talk bad about others, yet you are the one spewing vile hatred name calling at me.
Per CNN because I like using left leaning sources so people can't use the robotic "you listen to different news than me, you're a cultist" propaganda.
Special counsel John Durham concludes FBI never should have launched full Trump-Russia probe
Special counsel John Durham concluded that the FBI should never have launched a full investigation into connections between Donald Trump’s campaign and Russia during the 2016 election, according to a report compiled over three years by the Trump-administration appointee and released on Monday.
Durham’s 300-plus page report also states that the FBI used “raw, unanalyzed, and uncorroborated intelligence,” to launch the “Crossfire Hurricane” investigation into Trump and Russia but used a different standard when weighing concerns about alleged election interference regarding Hillary Clinton’s campaign
“Based on the review of Crossfire Hurricane and related intelligence activities, we conclude that the (Justice) Department and FBI failed to uphold their important mission of strict fidelity to the law in connection with certain events and activities described in this report,” Durham wrote.
The report also concludes that “at least on the part of certain personnel intimately involved in the matter” there was “a predisposition to open an investigation into Trump.”
Durham’s findings that the FBI’s investigation into the Trump campaign should not have happened are at odds with a previous Justice Department inspector general investigation into the FBI’s Russia probe, which identified problems with the investigation but concluded in December 2019 there was sufficient justification to open the inquiry.
Attorney General Merrick Garland sent Durham’s report to congressional lawmakers and released the report on Monday.
In a letter to Congress accompanying the report, Garland said, “Special Counsel Durham’s unclassified report is attached in full as submitted to me, without any additions, redactions, or other modifications.”
Durham’s conclusions condemning the FBI’s investigation into Trump is sure to fuel the debate about Russia, Trump, the FBI and the 2016 presidential election that is still swirling more than six years after and as Trump is campaigning once again for the White House.
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Trump said he colluded with Russia, and that it was not illegal. The Mueller investigation said laws were broken, but there was no evidence of criminal intent.
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He didn't get convicted of it, no. I have never ever said otherwise. No way to know if he actually did or didn't for certain.
Durham said a preliminary investigation instead of a full probe would have been appropriate.
He would’ve been charged with obstruction if he wasn’t president. I wonder why he lied.
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Red
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Go back and read the bipartisan Senate report, and the Mueller report. You can repeat this bs until the cows come home. It will never be a factual statement. There was enough collusion to choke a horse.
A Collusion Reading Diary: What Did the Senate Intelligence Committee Find?
Our summary of the Senate Intelligence Committee’s final report on Russian interference in the 2016 election.
www.lawfaremedia.org
SteakNEggs
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A bias "Diary" over John Durham and Mueller.. You guys are prosecuting Trump over an alleged payment to a prostitute yet are not following what you are conspiring as stealing an election. Are you really that naive to think if there was anything, anything at all that Democrats would not be charging Trump? They charge over paying a prostitute yet not stealing an election lololol.Go back and read the bipartisan Senate report, and the Mueller report. You can repeat this bs until the cows come home. It will never be a factual statement. There was enough collusion to choke a horse.
A Collusion Reading Diary: What Did the Senate Intelligence Committee Find?
Our summary of the Senate Intelligence Committee’s final report on Russian interference in the 2016 election.
I thought claiming an election was stolen was Impeachable? Nope, it's ok for Democrats to say an election was stolen but they go bat **** crazy when a Republican claim it. As I said... Democrat hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Special counsel John Durham concludes FBI never should have launched full Trump-Russia probe
Special counsel John Durham concluded that the FBI should never have launched a full investigation into connections between Donald Trump’s campaign and Russia during the 2016 election, according to a report compiled over three years by the Trump-administration appointee and released on Monday.Durham’s 300-plus page report also states that the FBI used “raw, unanalyzed, and uncorroborated intelligence,” to launch the “Crossfire Hurricane” investigation into Trump and Russia but used a different standard when weighing concerns about alleged election interference regarding Hillary Clinton’s campaign
“Based on the review of Crossfire Hurricane and related intelligence activities, we conclude that the (Justice) Department and FBI failed to uphold their important mission of strict fidelity to the law in connection with certain events and activities described in this report,” Durham wrote.
The report also concludes that “at least on the part of certain personnel intimately involved in the matter” there was “a predisposition to open an investigation into Trump.”
Durham’s findings that the FBI’s investigation into the Trump campaign should not have happened are at odds with a previous Justice Department inspector general investigation into the FBI’s Russia probe, which identified problems with the investigation but concluded in December 2019 there was sufficient justification to open the inquiry.
Attorney General Merrick Garland sent Durham’s report to congressional lawmakers and released the report on Monday.
In a letter to Congress accompanying the report, Garland said, “Special Counsel Durham’s unclassified report is attached in full as submitted to me, without any additions, redactions, or other modifications.”
Durham’s conclusions condemning the FBI’s investigation into Trump is sure to fuel the debate about Russia, Trump, the FBI and the 2016 presidential election that is still swirling more than six years after and as Trump is campaigning once again for the White House.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/15/politics/john-durham-report-fbi-trump-released/index.html
Red
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You’re missing a key difference between Trump and other presidents. Trump not only praises tyrants and dictators, he also trashes democratically elected leaders. Did any of the presidents you quote, speaking highly of Putin, say those things of him immediately after he invaded Ukraine?? Would they? Only Trump did. And, a few of the times he’s also trashed our democratically elected allies…
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2zAdALW0zM
Red
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Try telling me Manafort wasn’t helping the Russians help the Donald. You can’t. That’s collusion. Oh, BTW, Durham was not the last word. The histories will be far, far, far different, and Durham will be a laughing stock in those same histories…
SteakNEggs
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SteakNEggs
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Yeah actually... Putin was literally meddling in our elections at the time and Obama was fully aware............... You know... The meddling Obama allowed back in 2014 before Trump was even a candidate so that Putin would sign off on his Iran deal where he shipped 1.7 billion in unmarked bills to Iran in the dead of the night without Congress's approval? It's absolutely astonishing that you can blame Trump for what happened under Obamas watch. The guy that literally allowed interference in our elections and told his intelligence to "stand down" to the interference. You all are geniuses for blaming Trump for something that happened long before Trump was even a candidate... ill give you that. I do thank you for being honest and holding true unlike fish though. I admire that.
Remember this?
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SteakNEggs
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Let me teach you... again. I explained this all to you at the time but you continued to spew conspiracies that you made up out of thin air.Go back and read the bipartisan Senate report, and the Mueller report. You can repeat this bs until the cows come home. It will never be a factual statement. There was enough collusion to choke a horse.
A Collusion Reading Diary: What Did the Senate Intelligence Committee Find?
Our summary of the Senate Intelligence Committee’s final report on Russian interference in the 2016 election.
In mid-2016, the FBI got word that Russian intelligence believed Hillary Clinton’s campaign was planning to frame Donald Trump as colluding with Russia’s Vladimir Putin to hack her computers. Yet somehow, the crack agents never connected the dots when handed the Steele “dossier” commissioned and paid for by the Clinton campaign that claimed Trump was colluding with Putin.
Instead, the Justice Department used that dossier as a pretext to spy on at least Trump aide Carter Page as it investigated the clearly spurious charges. Justice also distorted the facts about Page’s past relations with the CIA to suggest he had a history of working with Russian agents when his actual record involved turning them in. Meanwhile, it buried the fact that Steele’s main source was himself a suspected Russian agent.
Nor did it connect the dots to another “Russiagate” lead, the third-hand rumors passed along by a Clinton-allied diplomat that supposedly implicated another Trump aide, George Papadopoulos.
The news of the 2016 intel comes from Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe’s gradual release of Russiagate records — which show that the true scandal was the investigation itself.
The US intel community found it was authentic Russian analysis, though it couldn’t judge the veracity of the claim. And President Barack Obama was briefed on it, per his CIA director, John Brennan. In notes also released last week, Brennan describes telling Obama about the “alleged approval by Hillary Clinton on July 28 of a proposal from one of her foreign policy advisers to villify [sic] Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by Russian security services.”
Brennan, as Andrew C. McCarthy details in his book “Ball of Collusion,” was the main driver of the early Russiagate investigation. Soon after the start of Crossfire Hurricane (as the investigation was code-named), Brennan briefed Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on alleged Russian election interference. Reid then wrote to then-FBI Director James Comey, warning him not to ignore “the evidence of a direct connection between the Russian government and Donald Trump’s presidential campaign.” Reid pointed to reporting that said Page had met Kremlin agents in Moscow — information that came from the Steele dossier, which was nothing but gossip fed to Steele by a man America deemed a security risk.
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Soon the FBI began applying to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court for a surveillance warrant on Page — applications the DOJ inspector general later found riddled with errors and misstatements.
Files unsealed in the final stages of Michael Flynn’s years-long court struggle reveal a real stunner — confirmation that President Barack Obama played a central role in foisting the whole phony Russiagate “scandal” on the country.
Notes handwritten by (now-disgraced) FBI agent Peter Strzok show Obama, with then-Veep Joe Biden playing along, encouraging the FBI and Justice Department’s investigation of Flynn, even as they were told his actions “appear legit.”
The document, plainly Strzok’s notes of FBI chief Jim Comey’s account, offer more details of the Jan. 5, 2017, Oval Office meeting of Obama, Biden, Comey, national security adviser Susan Rice and Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates.
On learning that the FBI was set to close its investigation into Flynn after finding no evidence of wrongdoing, Obama and Biden suggested finding ways to keep it open, with Biden bringing up the (dead letter) Logan Act.
More, the notes have Obama ordering that the continued investigation be kept secret from the incoming president and his people: “Make sure you look at things and have the right people on it.”
The latest revelations show Team Obama invented the whole RussiaGate scandal
In mid-2016, the FBI got word that Russian intelligence believed Hillary Clinton’s campaign was planning to frame Donald Trump as colluding with Russia’s Vladimir Putin to hack her computers. Yet s…
nypost.com
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Al-O-Meter
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Neither Japan nor Germany have attacked anyone in the past 80 years and they were punished severely. Germany was punished much more severely in 1945 as opposed to 1918, but for all the claims that Versailles caused WW2, the post-WW2 treaties didn't seem to send Germany on a vengeful rampage.
And no, I don't think the current treatment of Palestinians is justified. Last 20 years have been a dark time in Israel's history and the treatment of Palestinians has been abhorrent, but we don't have a time machine so we have to work with the reality on the ground. There will not be a one-state solution, there will not be a military defeat and destruction of Israel, there will not be any sort of return of refugees, and a Palestinian state will not include any part of Jerusalem. Pretending that any of this is otherwise doesn't do anyone any favours.
"Free Palestine" and "End the Occupation" are nice sentiments, but they're nothing more than bumper sticker slogans. They're not blueprints for a solution. They're not even actual proposals for it.
Red
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U.S. and Qatar agree not to release Iran's $6B
President Joe Biden's administration has been facing bipartisan pressure to make sure Iran wouldn't be able to access the money from a U.S. prisoner swap.
www.nbcnews.com
Sorry did not realized this news was already posted in the thread discussing the $6 billion….