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Following Potential 2025 Draftees

To play devils advocate on Kon (who I have 5th/6th), he is pushing the bounds for being unathletic. There are a lot of guys who are considered athletic, but have good functional athleticism indicators. Rebounds, dunks, stocks etc. Kon doesn't have those. I think some of his peripheral numbers suffer from playing with Flagg and Maluach....but it would still be more reassuring if he had more of that other peripheral production.

But I'm still bullish on his potential to expand his role in the NBA. What the film showed me is that he is much more of a PnR initiator than I thought. He is a great passer and is especially good at finding the role man. His efficiency dropped off without Flagg on the court, but it was still quite good and his AST% doubled.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
I love him as much as anybody in this draft and I just don't know how you can ignore his potential fit issues.
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I think after the top 6 guys I would take a swing on him. Has some Julius Randle with more passing on offense and some Draymond like stuff on defense. I think he is the top "if this guy figures out shooting" guy. I get the love but I think that Top 6 I feel better about.
 
Also... I think I have decided there is a Cooper tier, a Dylan tier, and then 3-6 is basically a tier to me. If we landed 3 and someone loved Ace... I'd be willing to trade back to 5 or 6 for something really nice. I'd have to think of scenarios and example trades but I am growing fairly indifferent between Ace, VJ, Kon, Tre.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Also... I think I have decided there is a Cooper tier, a Dylan tier, and then 3-6 is basically a tier to me. If we landed 3 and someone loved Ace... I'd be willing to trade back to 5 or 6 for something really nice. I'd have to think of scenarios and example trades but I am growing fairly indifferent between Ace, VJ, Kon, Tre.
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4 Tiers for me:

Flagg

Harper

VJ
Ace

Kas
Kon
Tre
Fears

I don't know if the VJ/Ace tier is so far above the 4th tier that I wouldn't consider doing a trade back....the gaps between the tiers get smaller as you go down the tiers. But if we stay at 3 or 4 I think I'm taking one of those two for sure.

I think there's high potential for trade down anywhere from 3-5. A lot of these prospects are polarizing, but that also means that some teams will have strong opinions and fall in love with them.
 
KqWIN said:
4 Tiers for me:

Flagg

Harper

VJ
Ace

Kas
Kon
Tre
Fears

I don't know if the VJ/Ace tier is so far above the 4th tier that I wouldn't consider doing a trade back....the gaps between the tiers get smaller as you go down the tiers. But if we stay at 3 or 4 I think I'm taking one of those two for sure.

I think there's high potential for trade down anywhere from 3-5. A lot of these prospects are polarizing, but that also means that some teams will have strong opinions and fall in love with them.
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I couldn't find many scenarios I loved. Like NOP with the Indy pick they own moving from 5-6 to 3 doesn't excite me. Philly has a Clips pick that I would be really interested in but not sure why they'd be trying to move up like that. Seems like maybe a bit much?

Wiz and other teams don't really have a lot of extra picks or stuff I'd want. Maybe Charlotte, but I am not sure they are in love with Ace... maybe it would be VJ? They have that Heat pick I would very much want.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
You know he committed to Duke. I would be surprised if he stays in the draft, but maybe he shows really well at the combine.
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I do. If a team was willing to take him in the 20s I think he might forego Duke. No idea how much NIL he got. I could see the exposure he gets there pushing him to backend of the lotto if the season goes well. So I would probably agree.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I couldn't find many scenarios I loved. Like NOP with the Indy pick they own moving from 5-6 to 3 doesn't excite me. Philly has a Clips pick that I would be really interested in but not sure why they'd be trying to move up like that. Seems like maybe a bit much?

Wiz and other teams don't really have a lot of extra picks or stuff I'd want. Maybe Charlotte, but I am not sure they are in love with Ace... maybe it would be VJ? They have that Heat pick I would very much want.
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I haven't thought through it much....but I think Maluach is also a guy teams could be targeting at 5 if they want a C.

I think we could be the team that trades down or the team that trades up. DA has had some well known draft trades/trade attempts in both directions.
 
fishonjazz said:
I didn't know but figured that would be the case. Watching VJ highlights it seems like he is in the 99th percentile for get up.
I don't want the jazz to draft him but if they did then I would immediately be excited for all the highlights he would provide.
He seems to have that Vince career Carter, Zion Williamson, Blake Griffin, Derrick Rose kind of bounce to him.
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i'm with you. i might not take VJ until around 6/7, but if the jazz were to take him at 4, at least he's an exciting athlete and i wouldn't be pissed.
 
I just wish VJ was more shifty. I'd agree that he's like 99th percentile in his ability to jump high, but I don't think he has the agility or body control of a lot of the top athletes in the NBA. Is that something you can improve, or is it just talent you're born with? I'm not sure.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Also... I think I have decided there is a Cooper tier, a Dylan tier, and then 3-6 is basically a tier to me. If we landed 3 and someone loved Ace... I'd be willing to trade back to 5 or 6 for something really nice. I'd have to think of scenarios and example trades but I am growing fairly indifferent between Ace, VJ, Kon, Tre.
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i'm pretty close, but i think there is a cooper tier, a dylan tier, an ace tier, then probably 4-7 tier with fears, vj, kon and tre. i just don't think there is any chance the jazz pass on ace if they draft 3rd.
 
So what about this idea
If Jazz don't get the #1 or #2 pick would you be willing to trade 3,4,5 to Nets for #6 and #19 pick?
Jazz may still get the guy they want at #6 and also move up a couple spots for another guy they want
 
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