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NAOS said:
I don't expect anything from our rookie, and until Carroll or Evans develop a CONSISTENT shot, then I'll continue to easily overlook them.
Our backup PGs don't raise my meter at all.

So, 96 minutes at the 2 and 3. Breakdown:
Burks - 25
Hayward - 30
Marvin - 26
4th wing - ~15
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If we trade Jefferson/Millsap for a wing, doesn't our big rotation suffer just as much? Given the occasional tendency for fouls to be awarded in streaks, the fourth big is more important than the fourth wing.
 
NAOS said:
I don't expect anything from our rookie, and until Carroll or Evans develop a CONSISTENT shot, then I'll continue to easily overlook them.
Our backup PGs don't raise my meter at all.

So, 96 minutes at the 2 and 3. Breakdown:
Burks - 25
Hayward - 30
Marvin - 26
4th wing - ~15
It's possible Carroll can do this well. Or, we can bring in a legitimate player who will push everybody to earn those minutes. I'd have absolutely no problem with that. If the fourth guy deserved more minutes, then you try to distribute some playing time into the "PG" spot since Watson and Tinsley are limited.
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What did OKC do this year when Maynor went down? First, they tried to get Jackson some burn. Then, they finally said **** it and let Harden have the ball.
In other words, they ran all the way to the Finals without a PG (yes, I just said that of Westbrook).

EDIT TO ADD: OKC happened to run into a Miami team without a point guard.
 
NAOS said:
I don't expect anything from our rookie, and until Carroll or Evans develop a CONSISTENT shot, then I'll continue to easily overlook them.
Our backup PGs don't raise my meter at all.

So, 96 minutes at the 2 and 3. Breakdown:
Burks - 25
Hayward - 30
Marvin - 26
4th wing - ~15
It's possible Carroll can do this well. Or, we can bring in a legitimate player who will push everybody to earn those minutes. I'd have absolutely no problem with that. If the fourth guy deserved more minutes, then you try to distribute some playing time into the "PG" spot since Watson and Tinsley are limited.
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Hayward and Williams will likely easily get more minutes than that. But even if they don't, what legitimate wing do you think we could get who'd be content with being the 4th one (at best) off the bench and playing only 15 minutes a night? At most.

All 13 or 14 guys shouldn't be guys who expect to step in and get minutes. We should have a cheerleader or two who are nothing more than cheap as ****, professional role models, and hustle players who if they do have to play, could do relatively well. Why? Because when you have 13 guys who can all play, the natives get restless.
 
One Brow said:
If we trade Jefferson/Millsap for a wing, doesn't our big rotation suffer just as much? Given the occasional tendency for fouls to be awarded in streaks, the fourth big is more important than the fourth wing.
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We only need a journeyman big as a fourth. He can rack up a bunch of DNPs and 10-13 minute nights.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Hayward and Williams will likely easily get more minutes than that. But even if they don't, what legitimate wing do you think we could get who'd be content with being the 4th one (at best) off the bench and playing only 15 minutes a night? At most.

All 13 or 14 guys shouldn't be guys who expect to step in and get minutes. We should have a cheerleader or two who are nothing more than cheap as ****, professional role models, and hustle players who if they do have to play, could do relatively well. Why? Because when you have 13 guys who can all play, the natives get restless.
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please see #82
 
Mo, tins, watson
Hayward, burks, murphy
Williams, carroll
Millsap, favors, evans
Jefferson, enes

Thats 13. 14 if you count bell. I doubt we sign a free agent of any note. It would have to be really cheap or an obvious upgrade.
 
NAOS said:
now go compare Harden's rookie numbers with Burks'. Then ask yourself how Burks can develop his obvious skills besides gettin' the damn ball.
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Exactly. Which he won't be able to do if we get another wing which you so badly crave. Lee's averaged 27 minutes a game over his career. But you somehow think he'll be perfectly content behind Hayward, Williams and Burks on the depth chart, with about 10 minutes a night? Those three need to be getting minutes, major minutes. So a guy like Lee makes no sense. If we need a wing, it's a pure 3, hopefully with some length who won't bitch and moan with DNP's and 8 minutes a night.
 
Let Lee decide if he wants to be on this team for half the MLE. If for whatever reason he wants to do it, then you figure out the "problems" later. He'd have net positive trade value. If he doesn't want to sign, he doesn't have to. But I don't think it would be a tremenous waste of time to reach out to him and try to have a discussion.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Exactly. Which he won't be able to do if we get another wing which you so badly crave. Lee's averaged 27 minutes a game over his career. But you somehow think he'll be perfectly content behind Hayward, Williams and Burks on the depth chart, with about 10 minutes a night? Those three need to be getting minutes, major minutes. So a guy like Lee makes no sense. If we need a wing, it's a pure 3, hopefully with some length who won't bitch and moan with DNP's and 8 minutes a night.
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Lee is just an example. I'd rather have Danny Green because he is used to low-20s min/game and can defend the 1 for stretches. Signing him can actually be viewed as a strong commitment to getting Burks the ball as a primary playmaker off the bench since you are abandoning the traditional PG model (like both teams that appeared in the Finals). Only 7 minutes a night at PG would have to be used by a Burks-Green-Hayward/Marvin combo. 7.
 
One Brow said:
Why is that preferable to a journeyman wing (cheaper and more plentiful) doing the same?
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I've already given an (implicit?) answer to this question in my posts here. You must have skipped over the part where the 4th wing could be used considerably more if we stopped sticking to the traditional PG role (with Watson and Tinsley being quite limited).
 
NAOS said:
Lee is just an example. I'd rather have Danny Green because he is used to low-20s min/game and can defend the 1 for stretches. Signing him can actually be viewed as a strong commitment to getting Burks the ball as a primary playmaker off the bench since you are abandoning the traditional PG model (like both teams that appeared in the Finals). Only 7 minutes a night at PG would have to be used by a Burks-Green-Hayward/Marvin combo. 7.
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@Numb. Fair point. I doubt he'd be interested though. He'll sign with the Nets or something.
@NAOS. This all hinges on Burks getting seven minutes at the point which simply put, ain't happening, at least imo. Maybe I'm wrong but I think this summer league "experiment" is just a way to get the ball in his hands more and get him used to facilitating more. At least more than he did last year anyway.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
@Numb. Fair point. I doubt he'd be interested though. He'll sign with the Nets or something.
@NAOS. This all hinges on Burks getting seven minutes at the point which simply put, ain't happening, at least imo. Maybe I'm wrong but I think this summer league "experiment" is just a way to get the ball in his hands more and get him used to facilitating more. At least more than he did last year anyway.
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I just realized that I pinned this all on Burks getting these minutes in a particular role. However, we are more flexible than that.
It could just as easily be a Green-Hayfever-Williams tandem that gets burn.
Flexible.
 
would it break your heart if this worked out well and Watson/Tinsley's 20 mpg were totally evaporated?
would it break your heart if it didn't and we had a tradable chip?

So much hand-wringing over working out the "solutions" to the "problems" of getting a talented player.
 
NAOS said:
I've already given an (implicit?) answer to this question in my posts here. You must have skipped over the part where the 4th wing could be used considerably more if we stopped sticking to the traditional PG role (with Watson and Tinsley being quite limited).
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I missed the part where you explained why it's good to give three players 96 mintues when they are bigs, but not when they are wings.
 
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