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[Sean]

Corbin will almost certainly get another year to prove his worth. But I don't see how anyone can say he's a good coach. That's not to say he can't turn into one, but the evidence is just not there to make a case this team will manage to turn it around either this season or next ... or whenever. However, there is evidence he is not a good coach and that's proving itself out in this season. This is an utter disaster for the Jazz - to lose like they are and to allow L.A. to slide into the 8th spot when everyone in the NBA counted the Lakers out. It's embarrassing. We're the butt of the NBA right now and I don't know if Utah has ever been that in my lifetime. Sure, we've had bad seasons before ... but this one is extra bad because everyone is noticing our implosion and worse, we're imploding at the benefit of the ****ing Lakers.

Goddammit, Corbin.

 

[gregbroncs]

I cannot, CANNOT wait till Utah makes the playoffs, and I respond to this tweet.

Steve Kerr is easily top 10 most hated NBA players of all-time for me. Don't think he has EVER said a single positive thing about the Utah Jazz organization, or any of its players. A hack in the truest of forms.

You still think this team has a shot at the playoffs? How funny.

 

[Deleted member 365]

If fans were allowed to have a say, 90% of NBA teams would have 5 coaches a year. Idiots.

When it's just reacting after one or two games, then you would be correct.

But for years we've seen underwhelming leadership, lack of adjustments, poor (if any) plays draw out of timeouts, frustrating rotation/development of players, and most of all, A TEAM NOT COMING CLOSE TO REACHING ITS POTENTIAL.

If folks were just reacting to Corbin playing Watson once or twice, then you'd have a point.

But how many other NBA coaches would continiously play old and underperfoming vets over the superior youngs that we have? Seriously, how many other coaches would play Tinsley/Watson ahead of Burks? Or Marvin ahead of Carroll/Hayward (for most of this year)? How many would have played Josh Howard/Raja Bell ahead of the kids?

Even tibbs will bench Boozer (a much better player than Millsap or Jefferson and he plays without near the talent behind him like Kanter/Favors) to hold him accountable. Yet, time after time after time, we see the vets screwing up and their playing time increasing. This is supposed to teach the kids something good?

I guess for the Corbin apologists I leave the question, how much longer does your boy need to "prove" himself? He has had 2.5 years. Is another year or two good? Do we need to give him 10? Do we need to finally lose Hayward, Kanter, Favors, etc out of frustration in order for you folks to get a clue?

How much longer does Ty Corbin need?

I say, he's had enough. Time to go.

 

[gregbroncs]

Of course. The way I see it is every head coach needs to own their territory. Corbin didn't come in with that luxury (Jefferson and Sap contracts to manage). I have a hard time blaming him for much until the team has a chance or a new book is placed into his hands.

I just can't see how Corbin is not trying to ingrain his system (the hated continuity) while also managing locker room mutiny. Jefferson, Sap, Foye, & Mo all need a contract. The Jazz have a reputation to uphold and must make it right by these players, especially Millsap. Corbin is managing all that while also bringing Kanter and Favors along to take the reins within his system. What's the point of creating confusion by shaking things up when the vets expire? Build the system, maintain flexibility, bolt on new players.

Lindsay said the Jazz want to keep cap flexibility until next trade deadline. That tells me the young guys are the future. Meanwhile, they'll play the chess game trying to make it all happen for us.

When is this ever not the case. A team is always going to have a different set of players with issues. His job is to get the players to play the best they can. And to put said players into positions to win.
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He has failed IMO on the way he handles this team in a lot of circumstances. He handled Bell wrong. And that has lead to problems with other players. I don't believe the vets respect him. I think they walk all over him. The fact he still stands by them and plays them is just further proof that he does not deal with his players very well.

 

[Deleted member 365]

While it is understandable that the jazz would want to keep some cap flexibility going forward I find it laughable when people buy into the notion that the jazz are planning some blockbuster signing this summer which will turn everything around. Have you folks seen the FA class this summer? Um yeah...

All of a sudden that Millsap for Bledsoe trade or that trade with the spurs look even better.

 

[gregbroncs]

While it is understandable that the jazz would want to keep some cap flexibility going forward I find it laughable when people buy into the notion that the jazz are planning some blockbuster signing this summer which will turn everything around. Have you folks seen the FA class this summer? Um yeah...

All of a sudden that Millsap for Bledsoe trade or that trade with the spurs look even better.

I don't believe Millsap for Bledsoe was a go from LAC's side. They wanted something else (Burks) and the Jazz were unwilling to part with whatever else they wanted. I would also have liked the SA trade.

 

[Deleted member 365]

I don't believe Millsap for Bledsoe was a go from LAC's side. They wanted something else (Burks) and the Jazz were unwilling to part with whatever else they wanted. I would also have liked the SA trade.

Ok. I gotcha. If I were the clipps GM I probably wouldn't have made that trade either.

I would have liked the SA trade. And whatever other trade offers floating around. I understand that some teams were a little weary this year. However, I still saw some moves over the summer and into this season. Just look at the Grizz. What are they... 12-1 since the Gay trade? Slowly but surely Denver has made a few nice acquisitions and are certainly the superior team to us. Houston? Lin, Harden, and Asik (and I'm probably missing out on a few others).

So I just don't buy the notion that Locke inc. tried to sell us that, "Well gee, we tried! But there just wasn't a deal to be had!"

Millsap and Jefferson were very tradeable. We could have gotten something from them last year, this summer, and this season. But we flat out refused. Lets be honest, we thought that we could make the playoffs (whether it was a #1 seed or a #8 seed, it didn't matter to the FO) with the vets. it worked last year! And the smoke and mirrors deceived so many here on this board. And it ended up costing us draft picks... Maybe even Damian Lillard (who would have been this team's missing piece).

True, trading one of them potentially could have meant that the 2012-13 season would have been a developmental season and we would have missed out on the playoffs. So they bet that by standing pat we could make the playoffs and earn those millions.

They committed to the vets and now it's coming to bite them in the ***.

This season has ultimately been a waste of time. I'm glad that folks are finally beginning to realize that this franchise isn't infallible. In fact, since the passing of LHM, I'm beginning to wonder if we're even well managed anymore or if we're destined to become the Twolves, Pistons, or Raptors.

This franchise has a lot of convincing to do. They could start by actually benching Big Al and playing the guy who deserves to start, Enes Kanter. They should also consider Burks at the point and abolishing Marvin to waterboy.

This summer they best put their thinking caps on and find a way to find us a LEGIT pg. Sorry, but the dumb trio we currently have couldn't even play PG for BYU (and their PGs suck).

 

[mellow]

I remember those times...back in 1992, twitter was going nuts with all those negative tweets about Jerry Sloan. The "FireSloan" facebook page had a lot of action as well.

The only thing bigger was the Free Ike Austin movement.

 

[Stoked]

If fans were allowed to have a say, 90% of NBA teams would have 5 coaches a year. Idiots.

I like that Utah is not like most teams and has a revolving door at the head coach position. I simply feel that the Jazz made the wrong choice for head coach for a young up and coming team.

 

[gregbroncs]

Ok. I gotcha. If I were the clipps GM I probably wouldn't have made that trade either.

I would have liked the SA trade. And whatever other trade offers floating around. I understand that some teams were a little weary this year. However, I still saw some moves over the summer and into this season. Just look at the Grizz. What are they... 12-1 since the Gay trade? Slowly but surely Denver has made a few nice acquisitions and are certainly the superior team to us. Houston? Lin, Harden, and Asik (and I'm probably missing out on a few others).

So I just don't buy the notion that Locke inc. tried to sell us that, "Well gee, we tried! But there just wasn't a deal to be had!"

Millsap and Jefferson were very tradeable. We could have gotten something from them last year, this summer, and this season. But we flat out refused. Lets be honest, we thought that we could make the playoffs (whether it was a #1 seed or a #8 seed, it didn't matter to the FO) with the vets. it worked last year! And the smoke and mirrors deceived so many here on this board. And it ended up costing us draft picks... Maybe even Damian Lillard (who would have been this team's missing piece).

True, trading one of them potentially could have meant that the 2012-13 season would have been a developmental season and we would have missed out on the playoffs. So they bet that by standing pat we could make the playoffs and earn those millions.

They committed to the vets and now it's coming to bite them in the ***.

This season has ultimately been a waste of time. I'm glad that folks are finally beginning to realize that this franchise isn't infallible. In fact, since the passing of LHM, I'm beginning to wonder if we're even well managed anymore or if we're destined to become the Twolves, Pistons, or Raptors.

This franchise has a lot of convincing to do. They could start by actually benching Big Al and playing the guy who deserves to start, Enes Kanter. They should also consider Burks at the point and abolishing Marvin to waterboy.

This summer they best put their thinking caps on and find a way to find us a LEGIT pg. Sorry, but the dumb trio we currently have couldn't even play PG for BYU (and their PGs suck).

Don't get me wrong I'm on your side here. I've been screaming for Millsap and or Al to be gone for most of 2 seasons now. I think there was a trade to be had. I will be very curious the direction this team takes this off season. But as long as Corbin is the headcoach I see no way for this team to play up to it's potential.

 

[NAOS]

One thing Locke needs to realize:
GMs don't "find" deals, as is there is a marketplace of dudes with pricetags. GMs MAKE deals. And, after a while, it becomes fair game to criticize them for their apparent inability to do so.

I created another thread where I acknowledged that, as of next year, we may be in a good spot for MAKING deals and building a solid team. That said, it better be worth it, because these Big Al Middle Ages have been tortuously long.

 

[franklin]

Corbin will almost certainly get another year to prove his worth. But I don't see how anyone can say he's a good coach. That's not to say he can't turn into one, but the evidence is just not there to make a case this team will manage to turn it around either this season or next ... or whenever. However, there is evidence he is not a good coach and that's proving itself out in this season. This is an utter disaster for the Jazz - to lose like they are and to allow L.A. to slide into the 8th spot when everyone in the NBA counted the Lakers out. It's embarrassing. We're the butt of the NBA right now and I don't know if Utah has ever been that in my lifetime. Sure, we've had bad seasons before ... but this one is extra bad because everyone is noticing our implosion and worse, we're imploding at the benefit of the ****ing Lakers.

Goddammit, Corbin.

If Sean says there is no evidence one way but there is the other then it must be a closed book. Sean said so. Sean declareth.