Reflections after watching exactly one game...

[fishonjazz]

Agreed. Wholeheartedly. I just don't see us getting there for at least 2 full seasons. Some of them (Burke? Maybe even Exum?) may never get there.

I agree with this.
We are in fact rebuilding from the bottom..... starting with last season.
I figure it's a 4 or 5 year plan to get to contention

 

[b_line]

I agree with you about favors, he will dominate some games, but most of all he is just going to be quietly efficient.

The keepers I think we do have are:

Hayward, he is our closest thing to a star. Can turn it on at times. But he is going to at least need help, and probably need a bigger star next to him.

Favors is atleast a high quality starter. Maybe all star one day.

Gobert is showing signs of being awesome

Exum might be awesome. Too early to tell.

Burke, Burks and kanter are so inconsistent

Hood might turn into a starter. He is a smart player.

 

[fishonjazz]

Agreed. Wholeheartedly. I just don't see us getting there for at least 2 full seasons. Some of them (Burke? Maybe even Exum?) may never get there.

One other thing..... what the jazz have done is accumulate alot of assets. From the players on the team and also they have alot of draft picks.
So while you and I are both thinking that they are quite far away from being contenders, that could all change very quickly IF those assets can be cashed in for a star. (Like the rockets/harden)

 

[slc]

So is DL ready to pull the trigger on the blockbuster deal that puts Jazz over the top?
When does he do it?
Does he have to wait till next years draft?

 

[Ben10]

I am trying to see more games, but still if the Jazz were developing so well and getting so much better, the record should show it at least somewhat, right? At this pace they will end with just over 20 wins, maybe close to 30 if they get lucky. I have a hard time seeing a single player on a 25-win team that is beyond reproach. Depending on the color of ones glasses I guess.

I think along with having the super young starting lineup, new coach and system as have been mentioned are part of why our record is what it is. But you have to also consider that up to that Philly game the Jazz had played the second toughest schedule in the NBA. Hard to win when everything is new against the best teams. The Jazz have now won 5 out of there last 7 games. The schedule is starting to even out. But I would also call that developing and getting better.

As for my earlier comment about "choosing to watch" I should have said I that I feel bad it was the one game out of all of them you had time to sit thought. It really was a bad game from both teams.

 

[TroutBum]

Yeah, it's so obviously Franklin. Almost as obvious as Dalamon's ex-alt "Sandy Braille". He should probably leave it to experts like Trout.

Sometimes you're too smart for your own good; this is not one of those times.

Remember this post the next time you complain about people being mean to you.

I bet he reports the neg I just gave him.

So Tiny Teats negged me again ... when he was Franklin he continually negged me. What's up with this guy -- I'm piling on? Well, I just explained a little in the prior post. But Logograd's post was unfair and ill-advised considering this was the only game he had seen.

Cry harder, you blubbering vag.

On topic, Logg is 100% correct about this team. Favors is the most overrated big guy in the league, and we should trade him STAT. Thank the Gods Burks is out for the rest of the season. Man, that guy sucked.

 

[Revolution 9]

You really missed the ball on Trey. He does do somethings well. Driving and dishing. His willingness to attack the basket. Something we all wished Exum would do more of. If plays within the offense as he did in LA, and against Minn he can be very effective.

 

[LogGrad98]

You really missed the ball on Trey. He does do somethings well. Driving and dishing. His willingness to attack the basket. Something we all wished Exum would do more of. If plays within the offense as he did in LA, and against Minn he can be very effective.

I hope I am wrong about Trey. I think he is a good kid and has some potential. Just in last season, and this season in what the stats tell us and others have said and I have seen he is just not putting it all together. Maybe it is a coaching issue. It is like he doesn't know what he is supposed to be. Is he the PG? Then why do we run half the plays when he is on the floor through Hayward, who nearly always gets more assists than Burke. Is he a SG? Then why is he bringing the ball up the court and running half the plays? Is he a tweener/combo guard? I wonder if he would benefit from a more clearly defined role, at least until he gets into the swing of the NBA game and learns to improvise.

 

[LogGrad98]

I agree with you about favors, he will dominate some games, but most of all he is just going to be quietly efficient.

The keepers I think we do have are:

Hayward, he is our closest thing to a star. Can turn it on at times. But he is going to at least need help, and probably need a bigger star next to him.

Favors is atleast a high quality starter. Maybe all star one day.

Gobert is showing signs of being awesome

Exum might be awesome. Too early to tell.

Burke, Burks and kanter are so inconsistent

Hood might turn into a starter. He is a smart player.

I see Hayward with the potential to be a Pippen-esque player, at least for his role on the team. A guy that brings everything together, can do a bit of everything, and would look absolutely unbelievable next to a superstar. Kind of the way Pippen was with Jordan, but then you saw the fact that Pippen wasn't capable of being the superstar when Jordan was out for those couple years. I think Hayward could be that, and if we can get a player like that, not necessarily the "next MJ" or whatever, but at least a top 5 to top 10 guy in the league to play alongside him then Hay would really shine and we would make a lot of noise.

Maybe Exum will become that guy, but my gut tells me he won't. Even in Kobe's earliest years you still saw solid flashes of the player he would become, times he did a few things that made your jaw drop even while he was learning the game. We just haven't seen flashes of much of anything besides maybe a solid rotation player from Exum. So far, anyway.

 

[Sexual Favors]

You need more context than one game against a crap team after a road trip.

 

[LogGrad98]

You need more context than one game against a crap team after a road trip.

So what context is missing? Are you saying that Favors is actually a top-5 PF/C in the league who takes over games with great regularity, willing us to win games that we would otherwise lose? Or is Trey a top-5 PG that is the true floor general we could use, and virtually every other game besides this one he took us to another level of team play and never chucked up a bad 3-pt shot? Or is Exum really the second coming of MJ but was just off this one game and otherwise is the strongest contender for ROY?

 

[Sexual Favors]

So what context is missing? Are you saying that Favors is actually a top-5 PF/C in the league who takes over games with great regularity, willing us to win games that we would otherwise lose? Or is Trey a top-5 PG that is the true floor general we could use, and virtually every other game besides this one he took us to another level of team play and never chucked up a bad 3-pt shot? Or is Exum really the second coming of MJ but was just off this one game and otherwise is the strongest contender for ROY?

Your assertions about Kanter. The board has done a 180 on him for the most part, because his play through the month of December had warranted it. He's been intense, producing, trying on D, etc. you saw tired players.

Expecting Exum to be i. Taljs for ROY is and has always been ludicrous. He does need to be more assertive, but we also don't know what the coaching staff is telling him to do. He is young and light, and it seems like the only goal is to keep him healthy. Watch his summer league style vs the role he has during the season.

As for Trey, you are mostly right.

Derrick does need to be more agressive, but he also has been more agressive this year than ever before. He is having a really good year and implementing more toughness in his game.

You can't expect it all at once. Two steps forward, one step back.