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Jackpotting Around Podcast: Episode 8 - To Convey Or Not To Convey and Let’s Start A Discussion About Collin Sexton

The bottom line is that there is zero urgency right now when it comes to making a decision on if he is long term building block or an eventual trade piece. Let he and Key play as many minutes as possible the rest of the year and see what kind of chemistry they can build together. The front office also has to have a serious conversation with Hardy to see what his vision is with Sexton because it doesn't make sense to make a big investment in a player that a coach doesn't appreciate. Sexton has played so well that it has forced Hardy's hand when it comes to making him a starter but Hardy has gone out of his way to limit his minutes to the detriment of the team. No one in their right mind would think that Clarkson is worthy of more minutes than Sexton yet that is exactly what has happened.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Because Hardy loves the way Key plays and sees the game. He called him an extension of himself as a coach. He does not feel that way about Sexton.
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Well then maybe Will should consider the way he sees the game lol. Sexton is a blunt force object I get it but there are no style points given in the nba. That is part of what I am saying may be a larger part of the problem....
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Well then maybe Will should consider the way he sees the game lol. Sexton is a blunt force object I get it but there are no style points given in the nba. That is part of what I am saying may be a larger part of the problem....
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There's no style points but style of play does matter. Team building is more than just adding all the most talented players possible. Size matters despite what your wife tells you
 
sip said:
The bottom line is that there is zero urgency right now when it comes to making a decision on if he is long term building block or an eventual trade piece. Let he and Key play as many minutes as possible the rest of the year and see what kind of chemistry they can build together. The front office also has to have a serious conversation with Hardy to see what his vision is with Sexton because it doesn't make sense to make a big investment in a player that a coach doesn't appreciate. Sexton has played so well that it has forced Hardy's hand when it comes to making him a starter but Hardy has gone out of his way to limit his minutes to the detriment of the team. No one in their right mind would think that Clarkson is worthy of more minutes than Sexton yet that is exactly what has happened.
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I mean, there should always be urgency in team building imo. You can't just sit back and let things play out until the moment you have to act in urgency.

Sexton is not an undeniable commodity after having his first career year with a positive BPM. Not dealing him in the off-season you are at risk of missing his peak value window.

*And obviously that does not mean I'm advocating to trade him no matter what. If a quality deal isn't there, a deal isn't there*
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
There's no style points but style of play does matter. Team building is more than just adding all the most talented players possible. Size matters despite what your wife tells you
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And Collin has fit into the style of play and has performed better than our other small guards on defense lol. No need to try and insult me with the most sophomoric insult possible.
 
If the Jazz go out and add a really good wing who can guard 2s, who do you think is getting sent to the bench: Keyonte or Sexton?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
It has to be solved by Sexton's next contract imo. I think if you want max value on a Sexton trade you want to do it at or before next year's deadline
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I’ve been agonizing over this for a bit. I’d love to keep him but I’m assuming the jazz view Key and Markkanen and Hendricks as the guys the jazz see as the future. Also can the jazz build a contender with a Key Sexton back court? I’m not confident they can. The question in that case is how long do you hold onto Sexton? The more I think about it the more I think he should be traded this offseason. What we can get I don’t know. He’s been my favorite player on the team but I’m just looking at what is probably best for the long term of this team. If we hadn’t drafted Key I don’t think I’d be even considering this. I’ve also considered whether the Jazz should or shouldn’t be considering trading Markkanen. There are some obvious advantages to trading Lauri. Even more picks to increase young player depth and increasing how good our lotto picks become over the next few years to rival what OKC has done plus it increases our odds of trading for a star should one come available without sacrificing point 1 of this post. The question is can we accomplish all or most of this without trading Lauri so the question that needs to be answered is… is it more necessary to keep or trade Lauri and if we do trade him it needs to be by the next trade deadline if not the offseason.
 
I do feel like we need to "get good" before we worry too much about this stuff. Having both Key/Sexton may prevent us from reaching the highest levels, but probably not enough from allowing us to get good. You may be creating a problem that you don't have.
 
KqWIN said:
I do feel like we need to "get good" before we worry too much about this stuff. Having both Key/Sexton may prevent us from reaching the highest levels, but probably not enough from allowing us to get good. You may be creating a problem that you don't have.
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Even if Sexton loses half of his current value cuz we don't sell him at the peak what does that do for us really? If we sell him now for 2 firsts instead of 1 and Key sucks the next couple years... then what did we truly gain?

I can't even imagine what Lauri would be thinking if we traded Sexton for picks and prospects after the last 2 years.
 
sip said:
The bottom line is that there is zero urgency right now when it comes to making a decision on if he is long term building block or an eventual trade piece. Let he and Key play as many minutes as possible the rest of the year and see what kind of chemistry they can build together. The front office also has to have a serious conversation with Hardy to see what his vision is with Sexton because it doesn't make sense to make a big investment in a player that a coach doesn't appreciate. Sexton has played so well that it has forced Hardy's hand when it comes to making him a starter but Hardy has gone out of his way to limit his minutes to the detriment of the team. No one in their right mind would think that Clarkson is worthy of more minutes than Sexton yet that is exactly what has happened.
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This
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Even if Sexton loses half of his current value cuz we don't sell him at the peak what does that do for us really? If we sell him now for 2 firsts instead of 1 and Key sucks the next couple years... then what did we truly gain?

I can't even imagine what Lauri would be thinking if we traded Sexton for picks and prospects after the last 2 years.
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Yeah....I mention this when people say we can't draft someone bc of Keyonte, but it's kind of the same thing with Sexton. If Key and Sexton are both so good that they must be the starter and cannot be a 6th man, that's a good spot to be in. I think you are more prone to mistakes when trying to put the puzzle pieces together so soon. Probably would not put capitalizing peak trade value for Sexton on my list of priorities either.

Honestly, I think the most important thing right now is to dump Clarkson. He doesn't really help us accomplish anything. At best he's the tank commander, but I think we would be in a better position with Key/Sexton/Dunn in a guard rotation with maybe another young player sprinkled in. Key and Sexton both get real starter minutes, stagger if you want. It puts them in the best position to develop/improve trade value. If you look at playing time as a resource, JC is an all time gas guzzler.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
If the Jazz go out and add a really good wing who can guard 2s, who do you think is getting sent to the bench: Keyonte or Sexton?
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Hopefully the one who isn't producing as well and not helping the team win as much. But since we are talking about hardy here then he probably goes with the least efficient and worst defender of the two to give the minutes to. Benches the one that is more efficient and helps the team win more.
 
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