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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (democratic socialist) wins NY primary

JustTheTip said:
Bruh.

The DSA wants to end capitalism. They outright say it.

Now what we have isn’t true capitalism. I’d like a return to that, but I doubt it ever happens.
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You hit the nail, what is currently in place is NOT capitalism in it’s truest form
 
dalamon said:
You’re being more dense than Cy here
90% of the developed world has accomplished every bullet on that photo, and here you are writhing your hands at the thought that the US (a wealthier nation) can’t
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Yup. However it is a user pay system and politicians know where their bread is buttered, so they shill for corporations without shame. In America I kind of expect it, but watching the Labour Party here act in the same way is honestly sickening.
 
Rubashov said:
Yup. However it is a user pay system and politicians know where their bread is buttered, so they shill for corporations without shame. In America I kind of expect it, but watching the Labour Party here act in the same way is honestly sickening.
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Not only that but so as long as the war machine keeps running there’s no room for internal affairs. Healthcare could have been solved a long time ago had the US not got involved in so many wars in the middle east, for oil. Follow the money.
 
Jazzta said:
Not only that but so as long as the war machine keeps running there’s no room for internal affairs. Healthcare could have been solved a long time ago had the US not got involved in so many wars in the middle east, for oil. Follow the money.
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And then we went and added tons of billions to the military on top of that.

Smfh
 
Rubashov said:
But how do you measure quality of life? Life expectancy? Education? i could go on and might tomorrow if I can be bothered but you touch on it there, redistribution. Having 10 percent of your population consume 80 percent of everything while 90 percent live longer but do slightly better than subsist or live in abject poverty is a problem. i would say a distinct problem not just for america but for us is how difficult social mobility has become.
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90% of Americans are doing slightly better than subsisting or living in abject poverty? Where are you getting your information? Certainly not from experiencing America.
 
The Thriller said:
It’s sad how some people will just quickly dismiss a candidate based on her political party or title (democratic socialist) before visiting websites and learning about them.

Blind support or opposition devolving into tribalism is what’s ruining the civility and cohesion of American society to deal with pressing situations and issues.
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Holy ****. Listen to who is saying this.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
90% of Americans are doing slightly better than subsisting or living in abject poverty? Where are you getting your information? Certainly not from experiencing America.
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I'm talking 50 years from now, poverty in a society is relative, poverty in america is different to say South Sudan. For instance not having access to the internet in the US would be considered a marker of poverty, where as for large numbers of the worlds population food security is a bigger issue, once that problem is solved and the poor can begin to survive their poverty other material factors become more important. But when you think about it, what percentage of your population is living pay cheque to pay cheque? I would guess that millions of Americans are not far away from being homeless if they get sick or lose their job, most developed economies have significantly better safety nets for people.
 
Rubashov said:
I'm talking 50 years from now, poverty in a society is relative, poverty in america is different to say South Sudan. For instance not having access to the internet in the US would be considered a marker of poverty, where as for large numbers of the worlds population food security is a bigger issue, once that problem is solved and the poor can begin to survive their poverty other material factors become more important. But when you think about it, what percentage of your population is living pay cheque to pay cheque? I would guess that millions of Americans are not far away from being homeless if they get sick or lose their job, most developed economies have significantly better safety nets for people.
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WTF. You throw out stats that are a million miles off and when you get called on it you say you were looking far into the future but just not mentioning that minor detail?
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
WTF. You throw out stats that are a million miles off and when you get called on it you say you were looking far into the future but just not mentioning that minor detail?
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I studied systems theory and economics, 50 years is not that far off, read some Immanuel Wallerstien.
 
Rubashov said:
I studied systems theory and economics, 50 years is not that far off, read some Immanuel Wallerstien.
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It's way off when you post as if you're talking about the present and then just randomly change your argument to a different time frame when you get called out. Not only that, you're probably way wrong in your 50 year prediction.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
It's way off when you post as if you're talking about the present and then just randomly change your argument to a different time frame when you get called out. Not only that, you're probably way wrong in your 50 year prediction.
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Yeah it will probably be sooner. Think what you want dude, ideas are an open paradigm, i probably should have better tighter with my language but it was 4am and i was talking in generalities and concepts, also its a web forum and not an academic argument. I'm right about things more than I'm wrong. If you think things are great in America good luck to you, I'm pretty sure they are worse now for a lot more people than ever. That's why your political system is fracturing (ours too) if you think Trump being elected and Bernie Sanders almost being the Democratic nominee for President is business as usual you should probably reexamine your reasoning.
 
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Rubashov said:
Yup. However it is a user pay system and politicians know where their bread is buttered, so they shill for corporations without shame. In America I kind of expect it, but watching the Labour Party here act in the same way is honestly sickening.
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This talking point is nowhere near how US politics works. Demographics butter their bread. Swing states are all that really matters, down to specific districts even. Well off old white people in Florida wanting more SS safety, corn belt farm subsidies... The people's vote still matters even if a few companies get their palms greased a little. However, you will find the vast majority of US Federal spending has little to nothing to do with campaign finance.
 
Rubashov said:
But how do you measure quality of life? Life expectancy? Education? i could go on and might tomorrow if I can be bothered but you touch on it there, redistribution. Having 10 percent of your population consume 80 percent of everything while 90 percent live longer but do slightly better than subsist or live in abject poverty is a problem. i would say a distinct problem not just for america but for us is how difficult social mobility has become.
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If you're referring to the economic mobility aspect of social mobility then you are repeating another myth if you are talking about USA. There are plenty of studies that debunked this long ago.
 
Rubashov said:
Yeah it will probably be sooner. Think what you want dude, ideas are an open paradigm, i probably should have better tighter with my language but it was 4am and i was talking in generalities and concepts, also its a web forum and not an academic argument. I'm right about things more than I'm wrong. If you think things are great in America good luck to you, I'm pretty sure they are worse now for a lot more people than ever. That's why your political system is fracturing (ours too) if you think Trump being elected and Bernie Sanders almost being the Democratic nominee for President is business as usual you should probably reexamine your reasoning.
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It's pretty clear that you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
JustTheTip said:
Laissez-Faire in an ideal world. Ideal world doesn’t exist, so there does need to be some government regulation in the form of taxes, unions, etc. But the free market, economically, is great. It’s root ideas, provide a better product for a better price, is best for the consumer. In my experience, when people are getting paid regardless of the product quality, the product quality suffers.

I like the pure idea of socialism, I think the problem with that comes with human nature and the economics. If you can explain to me how you pay for it in America, I’m all ears.
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- saying 'the free market is great' as a general phrase is honestly just not intellectually honest at this point-- you really need to qualify the phrase with what it's great for if you want any good faith engagement. I can say the free market is "great" at cementing people in poverty, the free market is "great" at setting the stage for slavery, the free market is "great" at fueling homelessness in the developed world.
- same way dozens of other counties pay for it.
- in my experience, when issues with human life ramifications are left to be decided on by the private sector, ethics are always ignored for the sake of profit-generation. Governments, and their actions, are held accountable by the people-- corporations are held accountable by their shareholders purely on the basis on how profitable their actions are.
- you name a single regime with the dream economic system you've wished for in the prior post, and I'll post a laundry list of examples of humans rights abuses because of a "laissez-faire" system.
 
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