Game Thread Apr 21, 2022 07:00PM MT: Jazz vs. Mavericks - Game 3

[Saint Cy of JFC]

So let me guess the game plan...it'll be the same one as Game 2, and if their players shoot 50% from the 3 point line again and the Jazz lose, it'll be another dose of "this is the game plan and we won't change because they did something extremely hard (that they did last game, and the Clippers did, and the Nuggets did) and we're still going to play the percentages."

It's not the gameplan, it's the players. Quin can't go on the court and make players stay in front of get Bogey to rotate to the corner properly

 

[Release the Kraken]

Let’s quit screwing around and close this Dallas Mash unit out! Our year I tell ya, our draw is starting to open up like the Red Sea. Booker questionable with hammy concerns or the Pels without Zion. Love it!

 

[hgb]

It's not the gameplan, it's the players. Quin can't go on the court and make players stay in front of get Bogey to rotate to the corner properly

Still, after years of this being the main problem, you kinda feel like some messages at some point should trickle down to where they need to get.

 

[LogGrad98]

Still, after years of this being the main problem, you kinda feel like some messages at some point should trickle down to where they need to get.

Or the coach should bench guys that aren't doing what he wants them to do. The 2nd time bogey misses that assignment you yank him and tell juancho to stick to Kleber like he's giving him a proctology exam. Then sit bogey and tell him that's why he's sitting and when he goes back in he is expected to hit that assignment. But you don't wait until it gets missed FOUR TIMES IN A ROW! And then....still do nothing to change it.

 

[LogGrad98]

It's not the gameplan, it's the players. Quin can't go on the court and make players stay in front of get Bogey to rotate to the corner properly

It's both. It's the players not capable or interested in playing D correctly and it's the coach not doing anything about it.

If you think the only thing a coach can do to get compliance is go out on the court and make them do it, then you've likely never played organized ball before.

 

[jumpin bean]

I watched a replay of Game 2 and a charitable way to say how our guards played defense was like a bunch of near-sighted butterfly collectors. Sorry Quin, if yours guys are getting beat that badly, you sit them down and let someone else play. The Dallas guards would get dribble penetration and the rest of the team then looked like village idiots.

MAVERICK GUARDS ARE BIG AND STRONG, CONLEY CANT PLAY AGAINST THEM NO SIZE

 

[infection]

It's not the gameplan, it's the players. Quin can't go on the court and make players stay in front of get Bogey to rotate to the corner properly

It’s true. But he could have done something on an emphasis over 82 games, especially knowing that weakness, but failed to. Our perimeter defenders are bad. But there’s no way they are this other-worldly bad without these strategies implemented and ingrained over time. There are no defensive rotations. It’s not ideal but allowed for the blow-by because Rudy is there. Nobody rotates to cover Rudy’s guy or the open man because Quin has planned for two lines of defense (1. the perimeter, which Quin cedes, and 2. Rudy). This is also why we struggle with defensive rebounding in the clutch because we’re used to the 40 minutes played during 82 games where only having two defensive layers works. When teams get more creative, there’s no adjustment, presumably because he’s looking at the numbers over a large sample (40 minutes of 82 games) and saying it just doesn’t make sense, instead of looking at 8 minutes over 82 games for a more accurate sample for playoff correlation.

Tl;dr our perimeter guys are bad. But they’re not this bad. It’s learned behavior. After a prolonged Gobert absence, their defense did improve in fundamentals.

 

[LogGrad98]

It’s true. But he could have done something on an emphasis over 82 games, especially knowing that weakness, but failed to. Our perimeter defenders are bad. But there’s no way they are this other-worldly bad without these strategies implemented and ingrained over time. There are no defensive rotations. It’s not ideal but allowed for the blow-by because Rudy is there. Nobody rotates to cover Rudy’s guy or the open man because Quin has planned for two lines of defense (1. the perimeter, which Quin cedes, and 2. Rudy). This is also why we struggle with defensive rebounding in the clutch because we’re used to the 40 minutes played during 82 games where only having two defensive layers works. When teams get more creative, there’s no adjustment, presumably because he’s looking at the numbers over a large sample (40 minutes of 82 games) and saying it just doesn’t make sense, instead of looking at 8 minutes over 82 games for a more accurate sample for playoff correlation.

Tl;dr our perimeter guys are bad. But they’re not this bad. It’s learned behavior. After a prolonged Gobert absence, their defense did improve in fundamentals.

Good post.

Their defense did improve in fundamentals with Rudy out. Then nearly immediately regressed when he came back. Instead of being an anchor, this team uses Rudy as a crutch.

 

[LoPo]

Good post.

Their defense did improve in fundamentals with Rudy out. Then nearly immediately regressed when he came back. Instead of being an anchor, this team uses Rudy as a crutch.

Because we play normal NBA defense without Rudy. Like Rudy Gay said, we run something different with Rudy Gobert on the floor.

We haven't employed the type guys needed to run whatever this defense is with Gobert. When we get to the playoffs, this Rudy Gobert defense gets exposed by everybody - Denver, Clippers and now the Mavs.

 

[infection]

Because we play normal NBA defense without Rudy. Like Rudy Gay said, we run something different with Rudy Gobert on the floor.

We haven't employed the type guys needed to run whatever this defense is with Gobert. When we get to the playoffs, this Rudy Gobert defense gets exposed by everybody - Denver, Clippers and now the Mavs.

*Quin’s one-action strategy he employs with it gets exposed.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

Praying for no more collapsing on the drive and kick. Just leave gobeet in the paint. Play 4 out around the perimeter. Been asking for it for years at this point.

Alas, if it hasn't changed now, it isn't going to change. Quin has a few more attempts to learn how to coach in the playoffs but after that... Duke nukem.

Free Pascal!!!

 

[Agent#00]

Because we play normal NBA defense without Rudy. Like Rudy Gay said, we run something different with Rudy Gobert on the floor.

We haven't employed the type guys needed to run whatever this defense is with Gobert. When we get to the playoffs, this Rudy Gobert defense gets exposed by everybody - Denver, Clippers and now the Mavs.

that was Dallas game. Rudy and bogey was injured and we started with dm, mike, royce, Juancho and paschal. that first half we were switching and we defended the perimeter. it was a delight. then successive DNP for gay

 

[DasJazz]

So who is in a worse situation? Us losing a game minus Luka or the Suns losing a game and getting Booker hurt?

 

[SoUjazzfan]

So who is in a worse situation? Us losing a game minus Luka or the Suns losing a game and getting Booker hurt?

That all depends on which fan forum you're reading. For us, obviously losing to a luka less team is worse.

 

[Hekate]

Or the coach should bench guys that aren't doing what he wants them to do. The 2nd time bogey misses that assignment you yank him and tell juancho to stick to Kleber like he's giving him a proctology exam. Then sit bogey and tell him that's why he's sitting and when he goes back in he is expected to hit that assignment. But you don't wait until it gets missed FOUR TIMES IN A ROW! And then....still do nothing to change it.

You could bench Bogey but who is scoring down the stretch or creating gravity with his post-ups or 3pt shooting?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

It's both. It's the players not capable or interested in playing D correctly and it's the coach not doing anything about it.

If you think the only thing a coach can do to get compliance is go out on the court and make them do it, then you've likely never played organized ball before.

Lmfao at you thinking your HS basketball experience is at all analogous to NBA.

What's more likely: the coach who has led numerous #1 defensive teams in the NBA sucks at coaching defense or the players he has suck at defense?

 

[fishonjazz]

So who is in a worse situation? Us losing a game minus Luka or the Suns losing a game and getting Booker hurt?

How bad is bookers injury?


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[infection]

That all depends on which fan forum you're reading. For us, obviously losing to a luka less team is worse.

The one thing I’d add is that our loss was definitely in character for us this season. Phoenix’s loss was out of character for their season.

 

[Sean]

So who is in a worse situation? Us losing a game minus Luka or the Suns losing a game and getting Booker hurt?

Really depends on how long Booker is out. Phoenix should still win this series, even if Booker doesn't return, but if he's out a prolonged time, or hobbled by a consistent hamstring issue, it could prove pretty devastating.

The thing is, the Suns are on borrowed time and really, their title hopes are tied to whether Paul can keep this play up another year or so. If he can't or he retires, they'll still be very good but I'm not sure they'll be good enough.

So, knowing that, it's a big deal for the Suns only because if they don't win it this year, are they actually going to be better next year with an aging Paul? Maybe - they did win a lot with him out this season. But still, it's a huge unknown.

With the Jazz, not much is expected of them...even if they get by Dallas. This season they are not a real contender, imo, so losing this round, or next round, is kind of the expectation now.

 

[LogGrad98]

You could bench Bogey but who is scoring down the stretch or creating gravity with his post-ups or 3pt shooting?

Didn't say bench him for the entire game. Pull him, "coach" him about what is expected, put him back in. That's coaching 101.