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Current Players NBA Draft Round 1: Grayson's Hands vs. ONE LOVE

Which team would win in a 7-game series?

  • Total voters
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MVP said:
Well Ibaka is more washed up than Gortat based on how he finished the season and his real age be 35 years + as well. If OL would have pre injury Matthews I would consider his bench better, but otherwise him and Galinari are just a shadows of what they used to be so that kind of balances out with what GH has in Melo. And Lou will win his matchup vs Murray any day. Warren and Portis are both irrelevant.
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In a way that may be true about Gortat/Ibaka, but I'd still take Ibaka's defensive versatility and floor spacing over Gortat any day. True bigs are just kind of useless in today's NBA if they arent high tier players. I can certainly see Gortat being useful in this series due to how big OL's lineup is, but he is still aging rapidly and just got jettisoned from his team because of his diminishing value (along with his personality).

And yeah, Matthews isnt what he use to be, but he still shoots a lot of 3's at a high percentage while playing average defense without being on-ball. I don't see how him and Melo are equal in any sense. Also the whole intangibles thing. I don't love the Matthews pick, but I still think he can be a solid 8th man in a playoff rotation.

I get Lou Will is super fun to watch and his stats are insane, but he really is a litmus test for if you actually watch basketball vs just looking at stats. Murray is much better than Lou Will. Murray isnt a defensive stud (below average certainly), but he isnt the worst defender in teh NBA either (like Lou actually is and I mean seriously, just go look at every playoff series Lou Will has ever played). Murray could be up for a breakout 3rd season after a really good sophomore campaign.

And Gallinari missed a lot of time last year with weird injuries, like I think he missed three months with a hand injury and before that he was missing time with a hamstring strain. He is injury prone, but I don't think he is a shell of himself yet. If the argument is Gallo sucks cuz he is injury prone, sure. But when he's healthy he still plays really well. He has a similar issue to Melo where he is a bad defender, but he's more like bottom 20% instead of bottom 10% and his offensive is still really good. What's more likely, an engaged Melo who accepts a bench role and playing off-ball or a healthy Gallinari? I'd say the latter.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
So that’s a no?


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No, it's a yes. That's why I said yes. I provided the best one to find the information. I have others but I don't really feel like looking things up on my phone and posting them for you. If you want to know, look it up.
 
Besides, I have no idea what you are wanting. Links that they were good at 17? Links about their rookie years in the NBA? Or simply what you asked for links for them. Maybe you mean their socal media accounts so you ask them directly?
 
Ron Mexico said:
No, it's a yes. That's why I said yes. I provided the best one to find the information. I have others but I don't really feel like looking things up on my phone and posting them for you. If you want to know, look it up.
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So you don’t want to prove yourself?


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Ron Mexico said:
Ricky Rubio. He did very well at that age against US players. He was older when he made his NBA debut but didn't help his team win. It took a few years for that.

Dirk outplayed Charles Barkley when he was 17 but then struggled as a rookie.

Tony Parker similar to above.

Darko Milicic was awesome for his national team at 17 and was a bust in the nba. He went toe to toe with current all star Pau Gasol.

The list could go on. Mostly I listed guys that had success later in the NBA but didn't help their teams win as a rookie, but there are also plenty of Darkos and worse.
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Ron, your list is great but none of these players had anywhere close to a consistent stats Doncic posted as teenager playing vs grown up men in Euroleague and Eurobasket... The only player who somewhat compares to 18 year old Doncic's stats in Eurobasket was Sabonis at 19. The game you talking about Darko vs Gasol was when he was 21. Gasol first time played for Spain national team when he was 21 as well. If we just look at stats produced by 18 year olds in international basketball Doncic is pretty much the greatest ever. Can he still bust? For sure. But he as well has a chance to be the best ever player to come out of Europe.
 
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Cy makes a really good point that Melo coming off the bench is a disaster.

And playing Lou, Warren, and Melo together? Terrible. It’s just taking “names” rather than actually building a good team.

If I could, I would change my vote to OL. Really don’t like either team.
 
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MVP said:
Ron, your list is great but none of these players had anywhere close to a consistent stats Doncic posted as teenager playing vs grown up men in Euroleague and Eurobasket... The only player who somewhat compares to 18 year old Doncic's stats in Eurobasket was Sabonis at 19. The game you talking about Darko vs Gasol was when he was 21. Gasol first time played for Spain national team when he was 21 as well. If we just look at stats produced by 18 year olds in international basketball Doncic is pretty much the greatest ever. Can he still bust? For sure. But he as well has a chance to be the best ever player to come out of Europe.
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Rubio didn't have a prolific career against grown men at that age?

Regardless, I am not looking for who matched all of his stats, just players that did well at that age.

I'm sure there are others, plus there are college usa players and many others. What you did outside of the NBA does not guarantee success in the NBA.

But even more than that rookies just don't help you win. It's extremely rare, maybe 1 player or less a year on average.
 
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Do I play the winner of this matchup in the next round? I don't think I can handle losing to One Love twice in a month.
 
Siro said:
I know. I'm rooting for you!
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Thank you bro. If I lose because people don’t count Porzingis injury against OL and because Doncic isn’t proven yet then so be it. Just gonna look bad on a re-vote next year.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Rubio didn't have a prolific career against grown men at that age?

Regardless, I am not looking for who matched all of his stats, just players that did well at that age.

I'm sure there are others, plus there are college usa players and many others. What you did outside of the NBA does not guarantee success in the NBA.

But even more than that rookies just don't help you win. It's extremely rare, maybe 1 player or less a year on average.
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Rubio's stats where amazing in U-16 championship. He did not such impressive stats as 18 year old playing vs adults. Seriously, check it out. What Doncic was doing is absolutely stunning.

Rubio stats as 18 year old in ACB and Eurolague - 9.6pts, 3.3reb, 4.2 ast, 2.2stls, .416 FG

Doncic stats as 18 year old in ACB and Eurolague - 14.5pts, 5.2reb, 4.6 ast, 1.1stl, .456 FG.
 
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