Devin Harris on Al Jefferson: Jazz fans will be surprised if they see him

[sepanol]

PS I calculated the FG% of all of Als games against the most elite of teams he played against in the months of February and March from both conferences (these were the Bulls, OKC, the Mavs, and the Celtics)

I got 60.7%. Notice how this detriments your point completely.

And unfortunately, we lost most of them by margin (except Celtics game i think). So what a pity, his amazing performance couldn't help us win.

It is different to score 30 in a head to head game and a game you are down by 30 in the third quarter.

Find stats of the games, where Big Al take over the game in the last quarter and helped us win

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

And unfortunately, we lost most of them by margin (except Celtics game i think). So what a pity, his amazing performance couldn't help us win.

It is different to score 30 in a head to head game and a game you are down by 30 in the third quarter.

Find stats of the games, where Big Al take over the game in the last quarter and helped us win

To be fair to Big Al, our team was never good enough as a collective whole to be close to be winning many games in the 4th quarter.

 

[sepanol]

It's bad enough that people want to focus on a 28 game stretch. Looking at only 7 games (all losses) is completely ridiculous. But ya, Al put up some good numbers against good teams in February and March.

Maybe we should focus on 4 game road stretch of millsap in early season and claim he is one of the elite big men in the league. It is logical with the same mentality

 

[Deleted member 848]

And unfortunately, we lost most of them by margin (except Celtics game i think). So what a pity, his amazing performance couldn't help us win.

It is different to score 30 in a head to head game and a game you are down by 30 in the third quarter.

Find stats of the games, where Big Al take over the game in the last quarter and helped us win

So the loss of the game should be blamed on a sole player? If we lose a game, doesnt matter how well Jefferson played, we should simply scrap the performance due to poor efforts from his other teammates? Okay.

PS Al Jefferson has statistics that indicate he scores more in "clutch-time" at a high percentage than almost any other center in the NBA.

 

[GVC]

I believe that is what was inferred when you said that Al Jefferson showed no statistical advantage over the rest of the league when he played "elite" teams on February and March.

Only I never said that.

 

[sepanol]

To be fair to Big Al, our team was never good enough as a collective whole to be close to be winning many games in the 4th quarter.

I think in early season, we were pretty collective, at least we played as a team, but Big Al wasn't the best performer after Deron, not even second maybe. It is normal that he appeared the best scorer in the team after the trade, because Millsap was never a first scoring option in any time in his career, and Harris sucks, Hayward, favors are rookies, so someone has to score. (Especially if someone is getting paid 14 million per year)

I am not telling we should rush him to trade, but the statements how good he is and one of elite big men in the league are so funny. He was only the first option scorer in marginally losing teams in his career, Minnesota and Utah after the trade. With this data , it is just funny to claim how amazing he is or so.

 

[sepanol]

So the loss of the game should be blamed on a sole player? If we lose a game, doesnt matter how well Jefferson played, we should simply scrap the performance due to poor efforts from his other teammates? Okay.

PS Al Jefferson has statistics that indicate he scores more in "clutch-time" at a high percentage than almost any other center in the NBA.

You manipulate my words as you always do because you don't have a strong argument to prove if Big Al is that good as you claim. It is different to say team lost by 30 because of him, and his performance doesn't make so much sense if we lost by 30.

Do you really think Big Al is one of the elite big man in this league? and what do you rely on if you think like this?
My only questions, i don't even discuss, kanter, millsap, salary or whatever

 

[Deleted member 848]

Only I never said that.

It is obvious to me that it is what you meant. If it is not what you meant, please tell me what you did mean. Seeing as you said you'd never apologize even in the instance where you are wrong, this sort of a response is to be expected I guess.

 

[sepanol]

It is obvious to me that it is what you meant. If it is not what you meant, please tell me what you did mean. Seeing as you said you'd never apologize even in the instance where you are wrong, this sort of a response is to be expected I guess.

The thing here is, dalamon, you seem like you argue just to win or just to be right, instead you should throw good ideas how this team can be better, or strong arguments to back up your claims, but you always spoil the subject with who is right who is wrong, who apologized or what

 

[GVC]

It is obvious to me that it is what you meant. If it is not what you meant, please tell me what you did mean. Seeing as you said you'd never apologize even in the instance where you are wrong, this sort of a response is to be expected I guess.

I said I wouldn't apologize to you, but I didn't say I wouldn't admit being wrong (if I were wrong).

In Billy's post a few pages back when he stated that Al was best against elite teams, I took it as meaning he was best against those teams over the whole season. That's why I stated that his splits didn't seem any better against Western Conference playoff teams for the year, and why I crunched the numbers against the top 4. I concluded that his TS% against those 4 teams was roughly in line with the league average, and also roughly in line with his post-All-Star TS% (and better than his TS% for the season).

My posts are very clear. Read them and try to not let your emotions get in the way of what's actually there in front of you.

 

[Deleted member 848]

You manipulate my words as you always do because you don't have a strong argument to prove if Big Al is that good as you claim. It is different to say team lost by 30 because of him, and his performance doesn't make so much sense if we lost by 30.

Do you really think Big Al is one of the elite big man in this league? and what do you rely on if you think like this?
My only questions, i don't even discuss, kanter, millsap, salary or whatever

I am saying that a our team being blown out should be blamed on our putrid teammates, and if someone like Al Jefferson does well in loss (offensively) then I think it is quite stupid to negate this data. It simply makes no sense

I think I have mentioned this several times to you, but I suppose I can do it again. Al Jefferson is currently not a Top Ten PF/C in the NBA, if you take a look of how he played on average throughout last season. If I knew right now that he would never have anymore to offer than 17/9, and how he played on average last season, then I would definirely be shopping him for a good trade. However, to me his growing trend of improvement as the season progressed really changed the way I see him, and I am personally anticipating continued improvement into whenever our season starts, because I feel like he has the tools and the dedication to continue his momentum of improcement that began after the allstar break last season. I also feel like we certainly have the time to see whether Al Jefferson ever does end up improving, because our two lottery pick PF/Cs are about 2 years away from really being very effective NBA starters, which coincides with approaching the end of Al Jeffersons contract. I am of the opinion that Al definitely has what it takes to improve and become a top ten PF/C in the NBA, but he certainly isnt there right now. But theres honestly no point to be shopping him right now, and I just stand up for the guy because he consistently gets serious amounts of flak on this forum. In this discussion, I jumped in because I thought his performances in very crucial games were being unfairly taken away from him. Thats it.

 

[sepanol]

I am saying that a our team being blown out should be blamed on our putrid teammates, and if someone like Al Jefferson does well in loss (offensively) then I think it is quite stupid to negate this data. It simply makes no sense

I think I have mentioned this several times to you, but I suppose I can do it again. Al Jefferson is currently not a Top Ten PF/C in the NBA, if you take a look of how he played on average throughout last season. If I knew right now that he would never have anymore to offer than 17/9, and how he played on average last season, then I would definirely be shopping him for a good trade. However, to me his growing trend of improvement as the season progressed really changed the way I see him, and I am personally anticipating continued improvement into whenever our season starts, because I feel like he has the tools and the dedication to continue his momentum of improcement that began after the allstar break last season. I also feel like we certainly have the time to see whether Al Jefferson ever does end up improving, because our two lottery pick PF/Cs are about 2 years away from really being very effective NBA starters, which coincides with approaching the end of Al Jeffersons contract. I am of the opinion that Al definitely has what it takes to improve and become a top ten PF/C in the NBA, but he certainly isnt there right now. But theres honestly no point to be shopping him right now, and I just stand up for the guy because he consistently gets serious amounts of flak on this forum. In this discussion, I jumped in because I thought his performances in very crucial games were being unfairly taken away from him. Thats it.

That's the most logical post i read of you and i agree. I don't know why it seemed like I was too against Big Al and you were completely with him then.