Following potential 2017 draftees...

[Game6Conley]

De'Aaron Fox is a monster !!

 

[Game6Conley]

@AdamFinkelstein
ESPN 100 PG Tremont Waters has requested a release from Georgetown per his father.
7:03 PM - 11 Mar 2017'

[MENTION=430]Dr. Jones[/MENTION] Any word on this?!


I'm guessing he's going to Kansas.. (after Duval goes to Duke)

 

[Game6Conley]

@JHopkinsSD
BREAKING: https://ScoopDuck.com has learned #Oregon Forward Chris Boucher has suffered a season-ending injury https://scoopduck.com/s/90/oregon-basketball-loses-key-player/2 …
8:11 PM - 11 Mar 2017 · Bend, OR


That sucks... he should've declared last year.. even if he went undrafted and played it out.. now he's 24 and injured..

 

[Elizah Huge]

Just got done reading the first 15-20 or so pages from this thread.

PKM absolutely loved Josh Jackson three years ago. Not looking so bad.

PGAB said De'Aaron Fox was the best prospect in the world. Also was adamant Giles would go #1. He legit can say he mentioned and liked Andrew Jones before anyone else. Mentioned him three years ago after an injury too.

Both of them didn't like Fultz as much as they should have. Still liked him in the top-10 but not top-2 love at all.

Both were right a ton and mentioned a lot of the dudes going in the first-round this year almost three years ago. Props, guys.


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[Game6Conley]

Just got done reading the first 15-20 or so pages from this thread.

PKM absolutely loved Josh Jackson three years ago. Not looking so bad.

PGAB said De'Aaron Fox was the best prospect in the world. Also was adamant Giles would go #1. He legit can say he mentioned and liked Andrew Jones before anyone else. Mentioned him three years ago after an injury too.

Both of them didn't like Fultz as much as they should have. Still liked him in the top-10 but not top-2 love at all.

Both were right a ton and mentioned a lot of the dudes going in the first-round this year almost three years ago. Props, guys.


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This thread isn't always the first spot a player is mentioned.. Trey Lyles was definitely being discussed prior to the 2015 thread...

There was definitely a long running convo with me asking PKM several times "Why is UK not recruiting Josh Jackson?? I don't understand and need an explanation.." that was a while back.. years ago..

Between me and PKM there's a good amount of good calls being made on like, 2 year time-frames and such.. I've called got many many pending shots here on an even bigger timeframe (such as Jalen Suggs)

As far as the Giles hype I was obviously wrong, there was injuries involved obviously... I also outlined preseason what he'd need to do to compete for a top spot and very quickly that de-railed, it was soemthing along the lines of "they can ease him in, but he'll need to play 20-25mpg consistently to really shake off concerns" and that obviously never happened. My calls for the next handful of #1 picks should all be better/closer.

The Fox call was good but my Robert Williams call is probably even better.. I wasn't as confident in Williams in the face of a low ranking, I just knew he was worth pointing out..

My call on Zion Williamson is looking damn fine too.. I made a thread called the top-100 prospects in the world regardless of class/territory in the summer of 2015.. It hasn't stood the test of time well as far as the rankkings are concerned but I had some interesting names on there.. Robert Williams was one of the only 4-star players mentioned.. Zion Williamson was on there.. LaMelo Ball was too..

 

[Game6Conley]

If u look back on my comments on Fultz you'll see i was well ahead of the curve tho..

I was always high on Monk but by the time Fultz was ranked in the 20's to me it just seemed like a matter of time that he'd keep rising and I was posting it here.. I knew back then that he had the ball on a string and I used to say this kid reminds me of D'Angelo Russell.. It was when many had him as a SG.. I was early saying I thought he could play PG, though at that point I probably had him as a combo..

back when UK was recruiting Brandon Ingram I used to say I'd gladly trade 2 of the other recruits to get just him and ultimatley thats how I ended up feeling with Fultz..

This was at the time of peak Rawle Alkins hype..

 

[Game6Conley]

After further review there's no way Giles can fall into striking distance of the Jazz pick, so don't get your hopes up cuz of that DX mock.

His range ends at about 17, and thats still after a decently steep fall..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGPUQ2EWmuc

The best part of this is really the steal at the end.. As I've said before his agility/quick reactions are his saving grace and thats where you could see it. That's sorta how I'd see him functioning at PF next to Rudy if somehow he lands in Utah.

 

[Game6Conley]

DX updated the mock last night and put Semi Ojeleye into the 1st at #28... That mock turns to **** after the 24th pick tho..

I vehemently disagree with most of what they have listed 25-60. Bam, Jeanne, Allen, White, Peak, Okouo and Jordan Bell are the only ones where I like the range..


At least they've removed the embarrassment of having rugby briscoe in the top-60..

 

[Elizah Huge]

This thread isn't always the first spot a player is mentioned.. Trey Lyles was definitely being discussed prior to the 2015 thread...

There was definitely a long running convo with me asking PKM several times "Why is UK not recruiting Josh Jackson?? I don't understand and need an explanation.." that was a while back.. years ago..

Between me and PKM there's a good amount of good calls being made on like, 2 year time-frames and such.. I've called got many many pending shots here on an even bigger timeframe (such as Jalen Suggs)

As far as the Giles hype I was obviously wrong, there was injuries involved obviously... I also outlined preseason what he'd need to do to compete for a top spot and very quickly that de-railed, it was soemthing along the lines of "they can ease him in, but he'll need to play 20-25mpg consistently to really shake off concerns" and that obviously never happened. My calls for the next handful of #1 picks should all be better/closer.

The Fox call was good but my Robert Williams call is probably even better.. I wasn't as confident in Williams in the face of a low ranking, I just knew he was worth pointing out..

My call on Zion Williamson is looking damn fine too.. I made a thread called the top-100 prospects in the world regardless of class/territory in the summer of 2015.. It hasn't stood the test of time well as far as the rankkings are concerned but I had some interesting names on there.. Robert Williams was one of the only 4-star players mentioned.. Zion Williamson was on there.. LaMelo Ball was too..

I came away quite impressed. I obviously can't inflate your head bigger than it already is so I had to include some players you missed on.


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[Elizah Huge]

If u look back on my comments on Fultz you'll see i was well ahead of the curve tho..

I was always high on Monk but by the time Fultz was ranked in the 20's to me it just seemed like a matter of time that he'd keep rising and I was posting it here.. I knew back then that he had the ball on a string and I used to say this kid reminds me of D'Angelo Russell.. It was when many had him as a SG.. I was early saying I thought he could play PG, though at that point I probably had him as a combo..

back when UK was recruiting Brandon Ingram I used to say I'd gladly trade 2 of the other recruits to get just him and ultimatley thats how I ended up feeling with Fultz..

This was at the time of peak Rawle Alkins hype..

I would love to bump that thread of prospects and read it. Very interested in what everyone had to say.


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[Game6Conley]

I would love to bump that thread of prospects and read it. Very interested in what everyone had to say.


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I found it

New list with tiers and fancy colors. explanation/legend below

Spoiler

2016 draft eligible players have been excluded, International players born in 1998 or later and HS class of 2016, 2017 2018 and 2019 are included.

(Year next to the name is 1st year of draft eligibility)

Top tier - probable top-5 picks, (primed to make a case for #1)
2nd tier - probable lottery picks
3rd tier -probable top-20 picks
4th and 5th tiers - somewhere between the 3rd tier and final teir
final tier - "I like their chances to make the first round" (there will be 120 1st rd picks in the 4 drafts covered and the list goes to 123...)

1- Marvin Bagley -SF/PF -2019
2- Chol Marial - C - 2020
3- Harry Giles - PF - 2017
4- De'Aaron Fox - PG - 2017
5- Josh Jackson - SG/SF - 2017
6- Wendell Carter - PF - 2018
7- Michael Porter - SF -2018
8- Trevon Duval - PG - 2018
9- DeAndre Ayton - PF/C - 2018
10- Mohammad Bamba - PF/C - 2018
11- Silvio De Sousa - PF/SF- 2019
12- Thon Maker - PF - 2017
13- Markelle Fultz - PG/SG - 2017 --- Washington
14- Nicholas Richards - C - 2018
15- Jonathan Isaac - SF - 2017 --- Florida St.
16- Jared Vanderbilt - SF - 2018
17- Billy Preston - PF - 2018
18- Bol Bol - C - 2019
19- Malik Monk - SG - 2017
20- Wenyen Gabriel - SF - 2017 --- Kentucky
21- Cole Anthony - PG - 2020
22- Frank Ntilikina - PG - 2017 --- Overseas/Belgium
23- Dennis Smith - PG - 2017 --- North Carolina St.
24- Frank Jackson - PG/SG -2017 --- Duke
25- Rodions Kurucs - SF - 2017 --- Overseas/Latvia
26- Scottie Lewis - SG - 2020
27- Rawle Alkins - SG - 2017
28- Jayson Tatum - SF - 2017 --- Duke
29 - Isaiah Hartenstein - 2017 --- Overseas/Germany
30- E.J. Montgomery - SF - 2019
31- Gary Trent - SG - 2018
32- Miles Bridges - SF/SG - 2017 --- Michigan St.
33- Jarrett Allen - PF - 2017
34- Luka Doncic - SG - 2018 --- Overseas/Slovenia
35- Omer Yertsuven - PF - 2017 --- Overseas/Turkey
36- Bam Adebayo - PF - 2017
37- Terrance Furgeson - SG - 2017 --- Alabama
38- Hamidou Diallo - SG - 2018
39- Troy Brown - PG/SG - 2018
40- Balsa Koprivica - PF/C - 2020
41- John Petty - SF - 2018
42- Kris Wilkes SF - 2018
43- Ikey Obiagu - C - 2018
44- Lonzo Ball - PG - 2017 --- UCLA
45- Javonte Smart - PG - 2019
46- Rowan Barrett Jr. - SF - 2020
47- Jordan Brown - PF - 2019
48- Otom Jankovic - SG - 2019 --- Overseas/Croatia
49- Marques Bolden - PF - 2017
50- Dewan Huell - PF 2017
51- Josh Langford - SG - 2017 --- Michigan St.
52- Robert Woodard - SG - 2019
53- Jadeon LeDee - PG/SF - 2019
54- Darius Garland - PG - 2019
55- Elijah Weaver PG - 2019
56- Sacha Killeya-Jones - PF - 2017 --- Kentucky
57- D.J. Harvey - SF - 2018
58- Udoka Azubuike - C - 2018
59- Isaac Humphries - C - 2017 --- Kentucky
60- Brandon McCoy C - 2018
61- Jared Jones - PF - 2020
62- Chandler Lawson - SF - 2020
63- Gerald Liddell - SF - 2019
64- Trendon Watford - SF - 2020
65- Pedro Nunes - PG - 2020 --- Overseas/Brazil
66- Immanuel Quickley - PG - 2019
67- Markus Howard - PG - 2018
68- Kevin Knox SF - 2018
69- Javin DeLaurier-Montgomery 6'8" PF/SF - 2017 --- Duke
70- Simi Sh*ttu SF - 2019
71- Austin Wiley PF - 2018 --- Auburn
72- Cameron Reddish - SG - 2019
73- Jahvon Quinerly - PG - 2019
74- Zach Brown - C - 2018
75- Jay Jay Chandler - PG - 2018
76- Zion Williamson - SG - 2019
77- Kobi Simmons - PG/SG - 2017
78- Justin Jackson - SF - 2017 --- UNLV
79- Isaiah Mobley - SF/PF - 2020
80- Cassius Stanley - SG - 2020
81- Tyger Campbell - PG - 2020
82- Jalen Smith PF - 2019
83- Naz Reid - PF - 2019
84- Jeremiah Tilmon - C/PF - 2018
85- Bryan Johnson-Penn - C/PF - 2019
86- Miles Norris PF - 2019
87- Wendell Moore - SF - 2020
88- Tyus Battle - SG/SF - 2017
89- Andrew Jones - SG/PG - 2017
90- Trae Young - PG - 2018
91- Lauri Markannen - PF - 2017 --- Arizona
92-Maurice Calloo - SF - 2019 --- Overseas/Canada
93- Makur Maker (Thon's cousin - not his brother Matur) - PF/C - 2020
94- Jaylen Hoard - SF - 2018 --- Overseas/France
95- Dzanan Musa - SG - 2018 --- Overseas/Bosnia & Herzegovina
96 -Jaylen Hands - PG - 2018 --- UCLA
97 - D.J. Burns - C/PF - 2020
98 - Deng Gak C - 2018
99- Nobal Days - PF - 2020
100- Kenneth Nwuba - C - 2019
101- Tariq Ingraham - C/PF 2020
102- Francis Okoro - C/PF - 2020
103- Paul Scruggs - PG/SG - 2018
104 - V.J. King - SF - 2017 --- Louisville
105 - Tadas Sedekerskis - SF - 2017 --- Overseas/Lithuania
106- T.J. Leaf PF - 2017
107- Khavon Moore - SF/SG - 2019
108- Michael Barber - SF - 2019
109- D.J. Williams-Weaver - SF -2019
110- P.J. Washington - PF - 2018
111- LaDarius Marshall - SF - 2019
112 - Onurlap Bitim - PG/SG - 2018 --- Overseas/Turkey
113- Miguel Gonzalez - SG/SF - 2018 - Overseas/Spain
114- Rui Hachimura - SF/PF - 2017 - Overseas/Japan
115- M.J. Walker - SG - 2018
116- Sandro Mamukelashvili SF - 2018 --- Overseas/Georgia
117- Rechon Black - PG - 2019
118- Jaylek Felton - SG/PG - 2018 --- North Carolina
119- Tyler Herro - PG/SG - 2019
120- Brandon Johns - SF - 2019
121- Giir Ring - SF - 2019
122- Connor Vanover - C - 2019
123- Derek Culver - PF - 2018


Honorable mention (in no particular order)

Spoiler

Mustapha Heron - SF - 2017 --- Auburn
Kostja Mushidi - SG - 2017 --- Overseas/Germany
Robert Williams - PF - 2017 --- Texas A&M
Cassius Winston - PG - 2017 --- Michigan St.
James Banks PF/C- 2017 --- Texas
Gorjak Gak C - 2017
Abdul Ado C/PF - 2017
De'Ron Davis PF/C - 2017
Jethro Tsishumpa - C - 2017
Bruno Fernando C - 2017
Samuel Japhet-Mathias - C - 2017 --- Wake Forest
Kostas Antetokounmpo - SF - 2017
Borisa Simanic -SF - 2017 --- Overseas/Serbia
Lonnie Walker - SG - 2018
Xavier Tillman - PF - 2018
Jordan Tucker - SF - 2018
Brian Bowen - SF - 2018
Nickiel Alexander-Walker - SG 2018 --- Overseas/Canada
Jermaine Samuels - SF - 2018
Ty-Shon Alexander - CG - 2018
Daejon Davis - CG - 2018 --- Washington
Cody Riley - PF - 2018
Mitchell Robinson - C - 2018 --- Texas A&M
Dajour Dickens - C - 2018
Charles O'Bannon - SF - 2018
Matt Coleman - PG - 2018
Daniel Mading PF - 2018
Mayan Kiir - PF - 2018
Will Dillard - SG - 2019
Jamie Lewis - CG - 2019
Kamaka Hepa - PF/SF - 2019
Sekou Doumbouya - SF - 2019 --- Overseas/France
Louis King - SF - 2019
Atiba Taylor - PG - 2019
Mamadou Doucore - PF - 2019
Shareef O'Neal - PF - 2019
Quanze Wang - PF - 2019
Ousmane Ndim - C - 2019
Manny Umoffia - C - 2019
Carte'are Gordon - C/PF - 2019
Marko Pecarski PF/C - 2019 --- Overseas/Serbia
Filip Petrusev - C - 2019 --- Overseas/Serbia
LaMelo Ball - CG - 2020 --- UCLA
Robert Bobroczkyi - C - 2020 ---Overseas/Romania

Be sure to check the hon mention list.

https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php...-Official-Thread****/page3&highlight=Ultimate


I'll point out all the flaws in this list now that it's been brought back up and there's a great number of them. The legend/tier-system was ill conceived too.
It's a ridiculous undertaking to try to compile such a thing tho..

That being said I could put together a list like that these days and it would be better..

 

[Game6Conley]

This exchange is the highlight of the thread.

A player I think might be severely underrated on this list is 6'5" Zion Williamson #64. I've seen early James Harden comparisons, he's certainly damn athletic. Video's 2 days old.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZzMvolFTR4 -2019 for this threads purposes.

It's pretty damn obvious that Zion belongs in Utah. We shouldn't even have to use a draft pick on this guy. They should just automatically give him to us.

Part of what makes this type of list an absurd undertaking is getting accurate height measurements. Many of these players were not as tall as they are now when I wrote it..

Darius Garland #54 was only like 5'10" back when this was made, now he's a legit 6'1" (and the top ranked PG in the HS class of 2018)

 

[Elizah Huge]

I found it



Be sure to check the hon mention list.

https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php...-Official-Thread****/page3&highlight=Ultimate


I'll point out all the flaws in this list now that it's been brought back up and there's a great number of them. The legend/tier-system was ill conceived too.
It's a ridiculous undertaking to try to compile such a thing tho..

That being said I could put together a list like that these days and it would be better..

DeAndre Ayton would be #1 on my list.


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[Chargers Jazz Angels]

Anyone else see Josh Hart on the Spurs? I really want him on the jazz. Burks will probably get traded to keep jingles so Hart can step right in and produce.

I gotta stop liking players because hartenstein has moved up now and is looking late teens early 20s.

I just can't get excited about the leaf but my feelings about him are the same as I had for Hayward when he came out.

Caleb swanigan is one I think would fit well next to gobert. He will always have to be careful about his weight.



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[Elizah Huge]

I've been a big Josh Hart fan. He's definitely someone who can come in and produce right away.


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[Chargers Jazz Angels]

I want to dislike bam adebayo too but he is a specimen.

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[Game6Conley]

Here's the latest mock update and there's team needs applied..

1 - BOS - Markelle Fultz 6'3½" PG/SG - Washington - Fr.
2 - LAL - Jayson Tatum 6'8" SF/SG - Duke - Fr.
3 - PHX - Josh Jackson 6'7" SG/SF - Kansas - Fr.
4 - PHI - Lonzo Ball 6'5" PG - UCLA - Fr.
5 - ORL - De'Aaron Fox 6'3½" PG - Kentucky - Fr.
6 - SAC - Jonathan Isaac 6'11" SF/PF - Florida St. - Fr.
7 - NYK - Frank Ntilikina 6'5" CG - Strasbourg IG - International '98
8 - SAC - Robert Williams - 6'10" PF/C - Texas A&M - Fr.
9 - MIN - Lauri Markannen 7' PF/SF - Arizona - Fr.
10 - DAL - Dennis Smith 6'1" PG - NC State - Fr.
11 - POR - Miles Bridges 6'7" SF - Michigan St. - Fr.
12 - CHA - Malik Monk 6'3½" SG/PG - Kentucky - Fr.
13 - CHI - Justin Patton 7' C/PF - Creighton - Fr.
14 - MIA - Zach Collins 6'11½" PF/C - Gonzaga - Fr.
15 - DEN - OG Anunoby 6'8" SF - Indiana - So.
16 - MIL - Terrance Ferguson 6'7" SG - Adelaide 36ers - International '98
17 - DET - Isaiah Hartenstein 7' PF/C - Žalgiris Kaunas - International '98
18 - IND - Luke Kennard 6'5" SG - Duke - So.
19 - POR - Rodions Kurucs 6'9" SF - FC Barcelona - International '98
20 - OKC - T.J. Leaf 6'9½" SF/PF - UCLA - Fr.
21 - ATL - Jarrett Allen 6'11" PF/C - Texas - Fr.
22 - TOR - Tyler Lydon 6'9" SF/PF - Syracuse - So.
23 - ORL - Harry Giles 6'10" PF - Duke - Fr.
24 - BKN - Ivan Rabb 6'10" PF - California - So.
25 - UTA - Bruce Brown 6'3" CG - Miami - Fr.
26 - BKN - Donovan Mitchell 6'2" PG/SG - Louisville - So.
27 - POR - Justin Jackson 6'8" SG/SF - UNC - Jr.
28 - LAL - Bam Adebayo 6'10" C - UK - Fr.
29 - SAS - John Collins 6'10" PF - Wake Forest - So.
30 - UTA - Mikal Bridges 6'7" SF - Villanova - So.


2nd rd

31 - ATL - Shake Milton 6'5" - PG/SG - SMU - So.
32 - ORL - Felipe Dos Anjos 7'3" C - Oviedo CB - International '98
33 - PHX - Semi Ojeleye 6'7" SF/PF - SMU - Jr.
34 - SAC - Jalen Brunson 6'1" PG - Villanova - So.
35 - ORL - Allonzo Trier 6'4" SG - Arizona - So.
36 - CHI - Andrew Jones 6'5" CG - Texas - Fr.
37 - NO - Josh Hart 6'5" SG - Villanova - Sr.
38 - PHI - Jonathan Motley 6'9" PF - Baylor - Jr.
39 - BOS - Jonathan Jeanne 7'3" PF - Le Mans - International '97
40 - PHI - Grayson Allen 6'5" CG - Duke - Jr.
41 - HOU - Caleb Swanigan 6'9" PF/C - Purdue - So.
42 - CHA - Isaac Haas 7'3" C - Purdue - Jr.
43 - HOU - Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk 6'8" SG - Kansas - So.
44 - NYK - Jacob Evans 6'6" SF/SG - Cincinnati - So.
45 - PHI - Thomas Bryant 6'11" PF/C - Indiana - So.
46 - MIL - Omer Yurtseven 6'11" PF/C - NC State - Fr.
47 - UTA - Cameron Oliver - 6'8" PF - Nevada - So.
48 - IND - Arnoldas Kulboka 6'9" SF - Baunach - International '98
49 - DEN - Dwayne Bacon - 6'6½" SG/SF - FSU - So.
50 - PHI - Moritz Wagner - 6'11" PF - Michigan - So.
51 - DEN - Borisa Simanic 6'10" PF - Red Star - International '98
52 - PHX - Dillon Brooks 6'6" SF/SG - Oregon - Jr.
53 - BOS - Donte DiVincenzo 6'4" CG - Villanova - Fr.
54 - UTA - Anžejs Pasečņiks 7'2" C - Gran Canaria - International '95
55 - BKN - Monte Morris - 6'2" PG - Iowa St. - Sr.
56 - WAS - Kevin Huerter 6'7" SG - Maryland - Fr.
57 - BOS - V.J. Beachem 6'8" SF - Notre Dame - Sr.
58 - NYK - LaGerald Vick 6'5" SG - Kansas - So.
59 - SAS - Derrick White 6'5" PG/SG - Colorado - Sr.
60 - ATL - Jordan Bell 6'9" PF - Oregon - Jr.

 

[splendidham]

Hey PG_AB
Would you mind giving your opinion on Jonah Bolden if you have one? A bit biased here being an Aussie but I think he is one guy who should be climbing some boards.


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[Saint Cy of JFC]

Hey PG_AB
Would you mind giving your opinion on Jonah Bolden if you have one? A bit biased here being an Aussie but I think he is one guy who should be climbing some boards.


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I like Bolden.

 

[Game6Conley]

Hey PG_AB
Would you mind giving your opinion on Jonah Bolden if you have one? A bit biased here being an Aussie but I think he is one guy who should be climbing some boards.


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I always liked Bolden.. he's got prototype size, advanced skill level and seems smart. UCLA's super loaded but still could've used him. I'd guess his range is about 50-60.. (Arnoldas Kulboka might be one of my favorite value selections in that mock at 48, no way would I take Bolden over him..)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPyUqkM78jU&t=1s
I haven't seen Bolden play this year. seems like he's grown.. I've always thought of him as a wing player so seeing DX have him at PF is odd.

They used to compare him to Nic Batum, that was popular at one point.