The difference is whether the Jazz believe in Fears as a shooter more than Collier. Until Collier shows he can shoot, he's the proverbial Elfrid Payton.
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The difference is whether the Jazz believe in Fears as a shooter more than Collier. Until Collier shows he can shoot, he's the proverbial Elfrid Payton.
seattlejazzfan
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it's because he's a near clone of Collier and we got Collier at 29. that's the issue with Fears at 5. there are some things Fears has/does that are better, some things Collier has/does that are better - but by and large they are the same size and have the same strengths and weaknesses.
seattlejazzfan
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until Fears proves he can shoot he's the proverbial Elfrid Payton. Collier shot it a lot better from three than Fears did in college.
seattlejazzfan
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he was little less efficient than Collier. but yeah, both were about average.
I know I said “easy” before, but what I really mean is efficient/better. Creating efficient shots is a skill and talent. If they had the same TS%, but Fears was all spot ups that would be concerning. But a high% of Fears offense is self created.
And just to be clear, I did call him the biggest boom or bust prospect. There is high uncertainty with his shot. He is no guarantee to hit on his potential, just saying that the ability to create those shots has big value.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Why do you think his % was so low? Did he take a lot of difficult shots?
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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I don’t see them as clones
Fears is good. He’s probably around 7-8 to me which is fair I think. There are multiple guys I’d rather take a chance on.
seattlejazzfan
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according to kqwin he took great shots, so he must just not be good at shooting beyond 15 feet.
seattlejazzfan
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near exact same height and wingspan. both like to get to the rim. both are good playmakers. neither shoots the three ball very well. both struggle finishing at the rim. fears TS% 56.2%. Collier TS% 56.7%. fears assists 4.1. Collier assists 4.3. Fears PPG 17.1. Collier PPG 16.7.
if they aren't clones, they are about as close as you can get. they got collier at 29 and people are talking about fears at 5. that seems crazy to me. like even one wants to argue fears is a better prospect, is it so much better that it's the difference between 5 and 29?
Fears is an immeasurably better shooter
I think Fears is what people thought Collier would be in a way, but I dont see them as that similar.
One uses bully-ball tactics and one is more of a handles/separation player.
One uses bully-ball tactics and one is more of a handles/separation player.
seattlejazzfan
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in college: Collier TS% 56.7. Fears TS% 56.2. Collier 3pt% 33.8. Fears 3pt% 28.4. collier shot better from three. fears shot better FTs. overall TS which takes into account both - the same, Collier slight edge.
immeasurably better.
Eye test means a lot when dealing with small sample sizes.
Collier struggles to shoot the ball with any kind of precision consistency (meaning his misses are inconsistent and all around the rim). Fears just missed shots, but they usually look good. Then you take into account FT% and it's clear as day.
seattlejazzfan
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lol. now Cy's just making **** up. when that starts happening, it's time for the discussion to end.
then you take into account 3pt% and overall TS%. clear as day.
I know he likes to ram a round rod through a square hole, but this is taking it a bit far.
#NoFears
framer
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The actual measurements don't scream "immeasurable." It is possible you may not know what that word means. . .
What am I making up? Collier shots are incredibly imprecise. That's why he dropped so far in the draft because teams saw that in his workouts.
Can someone please find and post the catch and shoot vs pull up 3 volumes and percentages for all of the top guards in the draft?