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Following Potential 2025 Draftees

RyGuy said:
How much should roster construction fit be considered with this pick? For example I would love if the Jazz drafted Tre Johnson. But would VJ Edgecombe be a better roster fit if you still believe in the Jazz's last two lottery picks? Imagine having VJ and Hendricks out on the perimeter defensively with Kessler backing them up? I know Cody Williams was very bad last year no argument here, but what if he comes into camp more muscular, better body, improves on shooting and handle?

If the Jazz do trade Lauri which I believe they should, and Cody and Taylor both come back improved now you have the makings of a potentially very good defensive lineup if you add VJ Edgecombe.

One thing the Jazz have shown with their top lottery picks is they like length, athleticism, and potential two way ability. Prior to playing in the NBA both Taylor Hendricks and Cody Williams were thought to have that potential. Now it may never materialize for one or both of them but if your still a believer in both then adding a guy like VJ is quite tempting. Regardless I think the Jazz are in a fine spot and will get a very good player no matter if it's Tre, VJ or Ace. The team is signaling they are going to tank again next year so let's just continue to add talent and build this roster up. I'm just wondering with the pieces we currently have, who would be the best fit. They are all extremely talented players
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IMO about zero. We don't have good enough players or even prospects to allow any of them influence what we do with this pick. And the only player who is good enough to maybe influence something is seamless fit with pretty much any roster construction.
 
KqWIN said:
I don’t see how that’s all related to roster construction. If the young guards on this team flame out, that is also very bad. Like why are Cody and Hendricks part of “roster construction” when they have way less proven than other young players? You’re trying to put together a puzzle that you don’t have any pieces for yet.

Even if we were going to say roster construction is very important, what guys are we even considering to be a part of that? I’d agree that we need more scoring, but that’s not because Hendricks is someone who we should be changing our pick for, it’s because Key is also not good enough. None of these guys except for Kessler are.

Whoever we draft, if the reasoning is the fit with Taylor Hendricks I am going to lose my mind. Only player good enough to influence our decision is Kessler, and all that means is we’re not a Maluach or CMB team which is fine.
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Im not disagreeing with you. I was more just trying to play with potential different lineups and combinations while thinking of being a gm in a hot seat. Like it or not, due to their high draft position, Cody and Taylor are "viewed" as potential building blocks. I agree with you that neither are yet. But draft status does matter at least for a few seasons.

Because of that, I was thinking what might the Jazz view as the best complimentary players to those guys. Maybe becoming a dominant defensive team? I don't know. But if Danny and Justin think adding a 2-way SG is going to help compliment the other players he may go that route. Again just thinking about possibilities. I've never been a fan of Keyonte so the sooner we can move on from him the better. Maybe Tre Johnson is the best fit with his lights out shooting ability.

But it does seem that Danny and Justin are trying to at least get potential 2-way players with there top lottery pick based on the last 2 drafts.
 
RyGuy said:
Im not disagreeing with you. I was more just trying to play with potential different lineups and combinations while thinking of being a gm in a hot seat. Like it or not, due to their high draft position, Cody and Taylor are "viewed" as potential building blocks. I agree with you that neither are yet. But draft status does matter at least for a few seasons.

Because of that, I was thinking what might the Jazz view as the best complimentary players to those guys. Maybe becoming a dominant defensive team? I don't know. But if Danny and Justin think adding a 2-way SG is going to help compliment the other players he may go that route. Again just thinking about possibilities. I've never been a fan of Keyonte so the sooner we can move on from him the better. Maybe Tre Johnson is the best fit with his lights out shooting ability.

But it does seem that Danny and Justin are trying to at least get potential 2-way players with there top lottery pick based on the last 2 drafts.
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Our GM is not on the hot seat, and if he was, it’d be because there are no guys to construct a roster around. Getting a player who you consider an actual piece is most important. Does not matter what kind of player that is.
 
stitches said:
IMO about zero. We don't have good enough players or even prospects to allow any of them influence what we do with this pick. And the only player who is good enough to maybe influence something is seamless fit with pretty much any roster construction.
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Some thought should absolutely be put into consideration. For example, if VJ and Tre have similar value in talent you take Tre because he fits the roster better and what coach wants to do. However if Ace is available along with Tre and Ace doesn’t fit as well, you take Ace because I do believe he has a much higher ceiling and chance at stardom. I am so sick of reading all these posts of people saying our young guys aren’t anything we absolutely have guys that. Have lots of potential.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
Some thought should absolutely be put into consideration. For example, if VJ and Tre have similar value in talent you take Tre because he fits the roster better and what coach wants to do. However if Ace is available along with Tre and Ace doesn’t fit as well, you take Ace because I do believe he has a much higher ceiling and chance at stardom. I am so sick of reading all these posts of people saying our young guys aren’t anything we absolutely have guys that. Have lots of potential.
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They are not nothing and some of them can be part of our future. But they are not at the level where you make decisions for the no. 5 pick because of them. If you think a player X is the best prospect at 5 you take him. I would not even consider if for example some part of his skillset overlaps with Keyonte or Collier or Sensabaugh or... anyone really. You just take the best player/prospect.
 
Watching Noa

+Smart
+Plays hard
+Tall and long
+Some skill here
-No explosion at all
-Body is a massive work in progress, just so thin
-Can dribble and shoot kind of, but still years away from using these skills effectively in NBA game.
-Position locked at PF

He needs to put on a ton of weight and his frame is kind of weird and I don't know how well he can put on weight.
 
It is pretty obvious that the Jazz are looking for shooters and perimeter defenders at the top of their draft, hopefully both at the same time. If you draft 4 of those guys and even if only 2 work out, you are way, way ahead in team construction. This why I laugh when people think the Jazz will go another direction if Ace is there at 5.
 
framer said:
It is pretty obvious that the Jazz are looking for shooters and perimeter defenders at the top of their draft, hopefully both at the same time. If you draft 4 of those guys and even if only 2 work out, you are way, way ahead in team construction. This why I laugh when people think the Jazz will go another direction if Ace is there at 5.
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1. The Jazz were not aiming for Hendricks, they were aiming for Coulibaly and Hendricks was their worst case scenario.
2. Cody was drafted as a shot creator who was just terrible at defense in college and terrible at shooting in high school.
3. The Jazz strongly considered taking Keyonte (one of the worst defenders in the NBA) at 9, picking Hendricks 9th because they thought Keyonte may be at 16.

It's hard to tell the Jazz have a type precisely from their love for Coulibaly, Keyonte, and Cody Williams. These guys don't have much in common other than Keyonte and Cody Williams being really intelligent off the court.
 
HadAnEffectHere said:
1. The Jazz were not aiming for Hendricks, they were aiming for Coulibaly and Hendricks was their worst case scenario.
2. Cody was drafted as a shot creator who was just terrible at defense in college and terrible at shooting in high school.
3. The Jazz strongly considered taking Keyonte (one of the worst defenders in the NBA) at 9, picking Hendricks 9th because they thought Keyonte may be at 16.

It's hard to tell the Jazz have a type precisely from their love for Coulibaly, Keyonte, and Cody Williams. These guys don't have much in common other than Keyonte and Cody Williams being really intelligent off the court.
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I genuinely love how every post of yours is said with complete fact of the matter confidence. It’s not your opinion, it’s undisputed fact.

And everything is horrendous or atrocious.

RIP nuance, opinion and dialogue.
 
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KqWIN said:
1. Flagg
2. Harper
3. Kas
4. VJ
5. Jase
6. Tre
7. Fears
8. Kon
9. Ace
10. CMB
11. Traore
12. Bryant
13. Philon
14. Sorber
15. Essengue
16. Clayton
17. Demin
18. Coward
19. Maluach
20. Thiero
21. Newell
22. Queen
23. Jones
24. Saraf
25. Fleming
26. Byrd
27. Clifford
28. Riley
29. McNeely
30. Pettiford
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Do you have tiers?
 
stitches said:
Do you have tiers?
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Usually, I do tiers, but if I'm being honest I don't think the tiers add much at this point haha:

Obvious
1. Flagg

2. Harper

Feels likely that this group will shift around many times before the draft. Have don a TON on each of these guys:

3. Kas
4. VJ
5. Jase
6. Tre
7. Fears
8. Kon
9. Ace

Haven't done as much on these guys so I feel less confident separating them, my basic outline:

10. CMB
11. Traore

12. Bryant
13. Philon
14. Sorber
15. Essengue
16. Clayton
17. Demin
18. Coward
19. Maluach
20. Thiero

21. Newell
22. Queen
23. Jones
24. Saraf
25. Fleming
26. Byrd
27. Clifford
28. Riley
29. McNeely
30. Pettiford
 
Bodhi said:
I genuinely love how every post of yours is said with complete fact of the matter confidence. It’s not your opinion, it’s undisputed fact.

And everything is horrendous or atrocious.

RIP nuance, opinion and dialogue.
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In terms of claims made in my post:

1. Hendricks was the worst case scenario for the Jazz: The Jazz confirmed he was 9th on their big board.
2. The Jazz considered taking Keyonte over Hendricks: The Jazz confirmed this.
3. Keyonte is one of the worst defenders in the NBA: Tough to prove this, but many metrics suggesting it and... Come on.
4. Cody Williams was a terrible shooter in HS: Shot 34% from three in HS, all were standstill, and took 11 midrange jumpers in his entire HS career. He just couldn't get shots off in HS or college and missed most of his shots in HS.
5. Cody Williams was a terrible defender in college: He could do OK defending physically weak player one-on-one, but he was just abysmal at everything else. Could not rebound at all and provided nothing in terms of help defense. Extremely bad stock numbers.
6. The Jazz were aiming for Coulibaly: Strong suggested by good rumor sources.
7. Cody was drafted a shot creator: This is the only thing I liked about him in college, maybe the Jazz drafted him differently I suppose.
8. Cody, Keyonte, and Coulibaly don't have much in common: Do they?
 
KqWIN said:
Usually, I do tiers, but if I'm being honest I don't think the tiers add much at this point haha:

Obvious
1. Flagg

2. Harper

Feels likely that this group will shift around many times before the draft. Have don a TON on each of these guys:

3. Kas
4. VJ
5. Jase
6. Tre
7. Fears
8. Kon
9. Ace

Haven't done as much on these guys so I feel less confident separating them, my basic outline:

10. CMB
11. Traore

12. Bryant
13. Philon
14. Sorber
15. Essengue
16. Clayton
17. Demin
18. Coward
19. Maluach
20. Thiero

21. Newell
22. Queen
23. Jones
24. Saraf
25. Fleming
26. Byrd
27. Clifford
28. Riley
29. McNeely
30. Pettiford
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I kind of feel like the tiers are more important than the order within the tiers.
 
stitches said:
I kind of feel like the tiers are more important than the order within the tiers.
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I guess what I'm saying is that my tiers aren't very bold because I have all the guys in contention (3-9) in the same tier lol. I suppose what would make mine different from the consensus is that I have Kas and Jase in this tier and I have them high within the tier.
 
One player that has caught my mind that I really haven't done much on is Kam Jones. So many contradicting things on paper. Very high rim rate, but extremely low FT rate. Volume 3 point shooter year after year on decent efficiency (37%), but bad FT shooter. Not really a PG, but extremely good AST/TOV in his senior year?

Seems like a potential Divencenzo type? I really haven't done much on the guys past 10, but he is someone I will have to consider at 21 just based on his numbers.
 
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