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Following Potential 2025 Draftees

Handlogten's Heros said:
There is just this weird thought that because we don't have the primary guy yet, and we may have whiffed the last couple years... that we must swing on a guy that can be a number 1. We need some runners on base and don't have to force a big swing. I also don't think Tre is a big swing and has very similar reasonable ceiling outcomes as Kon.
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For me, it's more "the bigger swing doesn't always give you a higher a chance to hit a homerun". I want the highest chance of a star and I want it even if it comes with the most risk. But I don't think it often does. I don't think we really think about potential correctly. The guy who is better at getting on base can also be the guy with the highest chance of being a home run.
 
KqWIN said:
For me, it's more "the bigger swing doesn't always give you a higher a chance to hit a homerun". I want the highest chance of a star and I want it even if it comes with the most risk. But I don't think it often does. I don't think we really think about potential correctly. The guy who is better at getting on base can also be the guy with the highest chance of being a home run.
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So is the hope/idea that Kon and/or Kas is an RBI?
 
I'm guessing Thiero got a promise.

He's good! He should go in the first round. Yes, he needs to learn how to shoot to be a real NBA player but so do most of these guys. Derik Queen needs to learn how to shoot too and Queen is only a couple months younger than him. I have Thiero and Queen and CMB all in the same tier.
 
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NUMBERICA said:
So is the hope/idea that Kon and/or Kas is an RBI?
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I’m saying they could be a home run. I think people are stuck in this floor/ceiling mindset which doesn’t really reflect reality. We put caps on a range of outcomes that doesn’t really exist/can’t be known.

What we should be thinking about instead is what would need to happen for X player to reach a certain level and how likely that is.
 
Has anybody ever been drafted and stashed in a league outside of Europe?

Looking at our second round picks and I have to imagine the strong preference there is a stash guy. Toohey and Zikarskey could make sense, but I don't know if I've ever heard of a player being stashed in the NBL.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
Has anybody ever been drafted and stashed in a league outside of Europe?

Looking at our second round picks and I have to imagine the strong preference there is a stash guy. Toohey and Zikarskey could make sense, but I don't know if I've ever heard of a player being stashed in the NBL.
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Josh Huestis was stashed in the G-League. Justinian Jessup played in the Aussie league but never made it to the league.

A big hit to the second round was international guys who would be stash candidates but are now collecting NIL.
 
I will keep beating the drum. We need to consider all options for 5. I see Fears, Kon, Kas, even Queen as considerations. Hell, if there is some crazy Kessler trade lined up, add in Maluach. Noa is also interesting to consider. Let us not be beholden to prevailing sentiment.
 
Basketball Novice said:
I will keep beating the drum. We need to consider all options for 5. I see Fears, Kon, Kas, even Queen as considerations. Hell, if there is some crazy Kessler trade lined up, add in Maluach. Noa is also interesting to consider. Let us not be beholden to prevailing sentiment.
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Only if you feel like any of those are better prospects than the concensus picks.

Trades may happen that change the landscape but as it stands we pick 5th and the top priority is to project as accurately as we can up to that point.
 
HermanG said:
Only if you feel like any of those are better prospects than the concensus picks.

Trades may happen that change the landscape but as it stands we pick 5th and the top priority is to project as accurately as we can up to that point.
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Don't quite get where your going with the 2nd statement. If your saying that we need to accurately judge which players are going 3rd and 4th, that is much more difficult than presumed.

Philly at 3 - All 3 of Ace/VJ/Tre are bad fits for them if they are trying to win now, with VJ being the best of the 3 because he can do things other than score. They could easily decide to pick Kon because he can fit into a role as he has proven at Duke. If they don't care about winning, sure they can get a project in Ace or overload on guard scoring with Tre. But Morey has 1 year left to not get fired. Would you bet your job on year 1 Ace Bailey? Or overload the guard rotation with a 4th guard? I have no idea what I would do if I was in that position. Probably pick Noa, Kon, VJ or someone else more ready to contribute immediately to winning (if trading is off the table).

Charlotte at 4 - The prevailing sentiment is that they like VJ, Ace and Tre would make them overly reliant on jumpers as their top 3 shot takers would be Lamelo, Brandon Miller, and Ace/Tre, it would not be good offense. They could do something out of left field like Maluach.

It could be a situation where Kon can go 3 or 4, just like Reed Sheppard did last year. The draft can do crazy things.

Now its true I can't see Philly or Charlotte picking Fears, Kas, or Queen. But that has more to do with their own roster constructions than some innate talent gap. For the Jazz, we should consider fully on ball guards like Fears and Kasparas. Or even a big man hub like Queen.

I say all this to highlight the fact that 3 and 4 are not easy to figure out. 2 or possibly all 3 of the consensus guys might be available at the Jazz pick. And I don't know if that's a good thing.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
The 2025 draft is officially a bust.

No reason to spend more time on it. Trade all our picks. On to the 2026 draft.
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This is obviously hyperbole, but in all seriousness I'm not emotionally invested in any of the players in the draft this year. I'm still trying to find my, "homer pick" and it's hard to get excited/passionate about a draft when you don't have, "your guy."
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Right... but he just didn't do it often because he wasn't really asked to... or maybe he wasn't good at it and that is why. I think all these guys have warts but Kon is "low upside" because of how he looks and that he has stubby arms.

Playing well with others is a feature... not a bug.

I'm also not discounting Tre... I think Kon and Tre belong in the same conversation... with Ace and VJ.
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I will 100% admit that I don't like kon due to how he looks

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HadAnEffectHere said:
I despise the "fit" talk with Philly. Every single player on the board sucks as a fit because 70% of the 76ers' cap is tied to Embiid and George for the next three years and all of these guys are very raw.

Fit has never mattered less for a team as their fortunes have nothing to do with this player they select. Whoever they pick is kind of irrelevant.
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Yep. They should trade the pick

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