Following Potential 2025 Draftees

[FalseFlagg K]

I'm a Duke fan, I watched every Kon game this season. He's definitely good but his upside is limited, I think his ceiling is similar to Bojan when he was with us

Bogey was what 3 inches taller and a considerably better athlete

 

[fishonjazz]

Has anybody ever been drafted and stashed in a league outside of Europe?

Looking at our second round picks and I have to imagine the strong preference there is a stash guy. Toohey and Zikarskey could make sense, but I don't know if I've ever heard of a player being stashed in the NBL.

Cody should be stashed in the g league for life.

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[SoberasHotRod]

You can always join us in the Yang Gang.

I think Yang is very interesting, but not someone that I can get really excited about.

The type of player I like is an underrated do everything defensive minded guard. Honestly VJ is the guy I would probably be a homer of in most drafts. He fits the bill except for the underrated part. It doesn't make much rational sense, but I would probably be going crazy about VJ if he was mocked in the late lottery, but when he's mocked at 3/4 it's harder for me to get excited.

When I type it out, it sounds really stupid, but is the reality of how my dumb brain works.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

I will 100% admit that I don't like kon due to how he looks

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I’m drinking the haterade on Kon because he looks slow af and is floor bound. If we were picking 10th I’d be super happy with him. If we take him at 5 I’ll barf and change my name to Kon K

I don’t get the love affair with him.

 

[David Hume]

I think Yang is very interesting, but not someone that I can get really excited about.

The type of player I like is an underrated do everything defensive minded guard. Honestly VJ is the guy I would probably be a homer of in most drafts. He fits the bill except for the underrated part. It doesn't make much rational sense, but I would probably be going crazy about VJ if he was mocked in the late lottery, but when he's mocked at 3/4 it's harder for me to get excited.

When I type it out, it sounds really stupid, but is the reality of how my dumb brain works.

Nah, your brain is not dumb. Your posts provide considerable insights and are thoughtful. Keep up the good work! (Yes, I like VJ as a prospect too).

 

[YoungJefe]

Bogey was what 3 inches taller and a considerably better athlete

Bojan is 6'7 and Kon is 6'6
Both crafty dudes that space the floor

I think Kon has more potential as a playmaker but if he winds up as a 16 ppg/4 rpg/4 apg guy like Bojan has been for his career, that's a win

I agree that there's absolutely no reason we should consider him at #5 because his upside is pretty damn limited

 

[Tremendous Upside]

I will 100% admit that I don't like kon due to how he looks

That's as good a reason as any.

Kon literally looks like he was made in a lab to play at Duke and be as annoying as possible. You want to watch a guy like that for 7 years? I don't think so.

 

[HermanG]

Don't quite get where your going with the 2nd statement. If your saying that we need to accurately judge which players are going 3rd and 4th, that is much more difficult than presumed.

Philly at 3 - All 3 of Ace/VJ/Tre are bad fits for them if they are trying to win now, with VJ being the best of the 3 because he can do things other than score. They could easily decide to pick Kon because he can fit into a role as he has proven at Duke. If they don't care about winning, sure they can get a project in Ace or overload on guard scoring with Tre. But Morey has 1 year left to not get fired. Would you bet your job on year 1 Ace Bailey? Or overload the guard rotation with a 4th guard? I have no idea what I would do if I was in that position. Probably pick Noa, Kon, VJ or someone else more ready to contribute immediately to winning (if trading is off the table).

Charlotte at 4 - The prevailing sentiment is that they like VJ, Ace and Tre would make them overly reliant on jumpers as their top 3 shot takers would be Lamelo, Brandon Miller, and Ace/Tre, it would not be good offense. They could do something out of left field like Maluach.

It could be a situation where Kon can go 3 or 4, just like Reed Sheppard did last year. The draft can do crazy things.

Now its true I can't see Philly or Charlotte picking Fears, Kas, or Queen. But that has more to do with their own roster constructions than some innate talent gap. For the Jazz, we should consider fully on ball guards like Fears and Kasparas. Or even a big man hub like Queen.

I say all this to highlight the fact that 3 and 4 are not easy to figure out. 2 or possibly all 3 of the consensus guys might be available at the Jazz pick. And I don't know if that's a good thing.

Not quite what I meant. Our FO has their priorities and preferences and they need to be absolutely sure about the top of their big board.

If they see 3-8 as "same tier" without preferences and cant project better than us about how they translate/develop then I'm gonna be real worried about our future.

Kas/Kon/Fears only come into play if the FO genuinely thinks those guys are better selections at 3, 4 or 5 than Tre/Ace/VJ.

I seriously hope they are not considering trading down. That is a a sign of either indecisiveness, risky gambling or quantity over quality thinking, and I want none of those.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Bogey was what 3 inches taller and a considerably better athlete

He also couldn’t dribble or pass.

 

[rippimpc]

Leif suggesting running Tre at pg is sort of interesting. Not a true pg but good enough ball handler to benefit from playing down a position.

 

[framer]

So underclassmen that are projected to go in the second round per tankathon:

- Thiero, Powell, Proctor, Yanic, RJ Luis

Last year there were 8 underclassmen picked in the second round.
In 2023 there were 11 underclassmen picked in the second round.
In 2022 there were 15 underclassmen picked in the second round.

This is better for the NBA AND college basketball.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

This is better for the NBA AND college basketball.

Actually Im not sure it's better for the NBA.

The Freshman who arent the perceived upper crust get stuck on benches and not getting a lot of responsibility. Sure, we get to see fringe NBA players for longer in college to decide which edge of the fringe they are on, but knowing who the Freshman are is more important.

But yeah, definitely better for college basketball.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Actually Im not sure it's better for the NBA.

The Freshman who arent the perceived upper crust get stuck on benches and not getting a lot of responsibility. Sure, we get to see fringe NBA players for longer in college to decide which edge of the fringe they are on, but knowing who the Freshman are is more important.

But yeah, definitely better for college basketball.

I think what you'll see is that the mid majors will become more attractive to Freshman who want to play right away. The 5 star recruits will continue to go to the big schools, but your 4 star and lower might decide to go to somewhere that they can get playing time.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think what you'll see is that the mid majors will become more attractive to Freshman who want to play right away. The 5 star recruits will continue to go to the big schools, but your 4 star and lower might decide to go to somewhere that they can get playing time.

You are wrong tho. Mid Majors wont be more attractive because NIL is going to keep players in the power conferences.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

You are wrong tho. Mid Majors wont be more attractive because NIL is going to keep players in the power conferences.

That's true.

 

[framer]

Actually Im not sure it's better for the NBA.

The Freshman who arent the perceived upper crust get stuck on benches and not getting a lot of responsibility. Sure, we get to see fringe NBA players for longer in college to decide which edge of the fringe they are on, but knowing who the Freshman are is more important.

But yeah, definitely better for college basketball.

Meh, I'm OK with an NBA that has fewer 19 year olds. I don't think it is great for the product nor the kids. Most are sent to the G League anyway which is the worst of all the options.

 

[HadAnEffectHere]

One thing that's surprising aesthetically is how few Jazz fans are hyping up CMB as he's like a perfect clone of Millsap other than... having no jumpshot.

His game is like a 1:1 match other than the one vital skill.

Every move and every trait is exactly the same, it's kind of freaky almost, lol. Especially the absolutely freakish hand speed.

Unfortunately, he's going to suck in the NBA unless he shoots >=36% from three soooooo

 

[framer]

One thing that's surprising aesthetically is how few Jazz fans are hyping up CMB as he's like a perfect clone of Millsap other than... having no jumpshot.

His game is like a 1:1 match other than the one vital skill.

Every move and every trait is exactly the same, it's kind of freaky almost, lol. Especially the absolutely freakish hand speed.

Unfortunately, he's going to suck in the NBA unless he shoots >=36% from three soooooo

Paul Milsap took a total of 20 3 pointers his first 4 years in the league and made 2 of them.

 

[HadAnEffectHere]

Paul Milsap took a total of 20 3 pointers his first 4 years in the league and made 2 of them.

Yeah, that was also 2006-2010 and you can't get away with that in the modern NBA.

If you're a PF who can't shoot, you need to be basically Amen Thompson/Ben Simmons athletic and skilled to be playable and even then, you're probably hurting your team in the postseason.

 

[KqWIN]

WAS should take CMB. I actually have no clue what they'll do at 6. Really happy Bub made that shot.