They calculate a weighted average based on the lineups played against. Tre played nearly every minute except during games against weaker opponents, so the strength of schedule (SOS) for the minutes he actually played is very high. In contrast, the SOS during the minutes he sat is much lower, since those minutes mostly came against weaker competition. The analysis is granular to the minute level, not just at the game level.
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They calculate a weighted average based on the lineups played against. Tre played nearly every minute except during games against weaker opponents, so the strength of schedule (SOS) for the minutes he actually played is very high. In contrast, the SOS during the minutes he sat is much lower, since those minutes mostly came against weaker competition. The analysis is granular to the minute level, not just at the game level.
I think it's just that you have such strong takes that when you change your mind it feels like a huge shift. A couple hundred posts ago I said something about looking at Riley film and thinking he had a nice all around game and you made a negative comment about him. You were one of the original Kas glazers and now you have him outside your top 20. When you were on HH and Elizah's pod you had VJ at 3 and now have him lower than most.
And don't get me wrong, there is nothing bad or wrong about your approach. I like it and appreciate it. I like your strong takes. I like your ability to change your mind when new evidence is there. But this is what I mean by rollercoaster.
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Thanks, I get it now. Basically his off numbers are mostly worthless since it is primarily garbage time.
HadAnEffectHere
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It's absolutely nuts how much better Locked On Hornets is than every other Locked On podcast. Incredible production quality and great voices for radio compared to the others I've seen and the guys seem fairly intelligent and reasonable.
You could say this got me in trouble with Shep last year (I still believe!), but Kon's numbers without Flagg are pretty promising. SSS of course, but he maintains a really high scoring efficiency and his AST/TOV becomes elite. At the very least, it's what you'd want to see if you were hoping to see him scale up.
HadAnEffectHere
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I mean, OK, but Kon was still playing with a ton of NBA players when Flagg was off the court.
Maluach is one of the biggest humans to ever live and he was setting screens that were sending future middle management to the floor for Kon and then Kon gets a free lane while surrounded by tons of elite shooters.
Very hard to evaluate since he had so much talent around him (giving him few opportunities but no defensive pressure) and such a bad coach.
What do you mean?
Sometimes when I watch Tre/Ace make these incredible fading shots, the thing that sticks out to me is that were totally unable to beat their man and that's why they had to take this tough, contested shot. So even though they made the shot and it looks cool, it's not exactly a highlight in my mind for scouting purposes. On some of Kon's finishes, he makes them but his lack of athleticism shows....like he will pump fake and score, but it would be nice if he could just attack the rim and score like an athlete would.
The point isn’t that there aren’t good players when Flagg sits—it’s that Kon's role changes and he performs well in the different role. He’s still in a favorable spot, but it's a role that's only afforded to him when Flagg is off the court.
HadAnEffectHere
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Yeah, but even then it's still probably him and Maluach (who is again, like a foot taller and 70 pounds heavier than these guys he's absolutely decking on these ball screens) surrounded by great shooters and often this occurs against bench lineups. The ACC tournament was nice, but teams had no time to adjust their gameplan to Flagg being out. Really hard to evaluate, way more boom/bust than people are projecting.
OK then, I guess I won't mention anything at all that happened at Duke because having good teammates adds complexity and we don't have the capacity to be nuanced. Do you even read the posts you reply to?
The ignore button goes SO hard these days.
Here's a question.... lets assume we somehow manage to swindle a deal with Lauri+21+ whatever other pick not #5 for #2...
So we pick Dylan Harper. Who do we get at 5 then? I guess then we hope Ace falls?
Roy_McAvoy
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I'll never be convinced that Kon Kneuppel isn't just Kevin Huerter/Luke Kennard. I believe this will bear out in his NBA career. I am confident in that. We're not drafting Hurter/Kennard with the #5 pick.
underdog
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Solid board. I see you bumped Kas from #3 to #4. I still have Kas comfortably at #3.
Honestly what makes Kaspars better than Riley?
Different strokes, differnet folks, but having Kasparas at #4 is insane to me. I think Riley is clearly the better prospect.
Kas is a better shooter (59%TS vs 53%TS), had better combine athletic testing (is more athletic to my eyes as well), is a better passer, a better defender (both are bad), and created almost everything for himself vs Riley who had a lot of his offense created for him. He is younger and is only has an inch less wingspan. Can you explain to me how you have Riley ahead of Kas? I'm not sure what you are basing that off of.
Kas should probably be in the next tier (7-18 range), but I just like him more and so I bumped him up a tier. The argument for him is that he was the lead ball handler of a good team as an 18 year old who was pretty efficient, and so that should be theoretically possible for him to be a lead ball handler in the NBA. And if he isn't good enough to do that at the NBA level then he should easily have the ability to play off ball. So for me he has high upside and a high floor.
I know you've said that you don't believe in the upside, so I get not having him top 10, but the high floor should keep him in the top 15 range, in my opinion.
Roy_McAvoy
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Kas can't beat a single person off the dribble in the NBA. He's mediocre at best. He's irrelevant to this discussion for the Jazz and belongs no where the top 5 prospects in this class.