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I like Riley because he could theoretically have a nice all around game, and his handling is nice for his size, but I don't know what he does today at an NBA level. 1
 
SoberasHotRod said:
Kas is a better shooter (59%TS vs 53%TS), had better combine athletic testing (is more athletic to my eyes as well), is a better passer, a better defender (both are bad), and created almost everything for himself vs Riley who had a lot of his offense created for him. He is younger and is only has an inch less wingspan. Can you explain to me how you have Riley ahead of Kas? I'm not sure what you are basing that off of.

Kas should probably be in the next tier (7-18 range), but I just like him more and so I bumped him up a tier. The argument for him is that he was the lead ball handler of a good team as an 18 year old who was pretty efficient, and so that should be theoretically possible for him to be a lead ball handler in the NBA. And if he isn't good enough to do that at the NBA level then he should easily have the ability to play off ball. So for me he has high upside and a high floor.

I know you've said that you don't believe in the upside, so I get not having him top 10, but the high floor should keep him in the top 15 range, in my opinion.
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I just see Riley's archetype being more valuable if he hits vs Kasparas.

Riley created a decent amount himself as well and had a far better A:TO ratio. I trust him to be able to get his shot off at the NBA level. I think Kasparas is undoubtedly the better shooter at this stage, but I see Riley as a guy who just needs to clean up his mechanics and he will be a dangerous shooter with his ability to get his shot off at his size from all 3 levels. Yes, the wingspans are close, but he has +5'' reach.

I also trust Riley's foul drawing at the NBA level more than Kasparas. What does Kasparas due at the NBA level when he isnt on-ball so much? I still have a lot of concerns with that.

Defensively I would also bet on Riley being a better defender due to the vertical reach. He just really needs to develop his frame.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I just see Riley's archetype being more valuable if he hits vs Kasparas.

Riley created a decent amount himself as well and had a far better A:TO ratio. I trust him to be able to get his shot off at the NBA level. I think Kasparas is undoubtedly the better shooter at this stage, but I see Riley as a guy who just needs to clean up his mechanics and he will be a dangerous shooter with his ability to get his shot off at his size from all 3 levels. Yes, the wingspans are close, but he has +5'' reach.

I also trust Riley's foul drawing at the NBA level more than Kasparas. What does Kasparas due at the NBA level when he isnt on-ball so much? I still have a lot of concerns with that.

Defensively I would also bet on Riley being a better defender due to the vertical reach. He just really needs to develop his frame.
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That all makes sense, but there are so many ifs in there it makes me uncomfortable to bet on it.

I like the elite level rebounding guard player type vs the theoretical wing player type.
 

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Here's two college ball dudes (also think they are big Illinois fans if my memory serves correct based off their past videos Ive seen) discussing Riley who kind of mirror my thoughts. They say Riley was Illinois best player in the 2nd half of conference play.

I just really love the tall guy who can get buckets, but also has passing vision. You can do a lot with that, especially if his shot irons out.

Also, I need the stats on how much players who come into the NBA with terrible acne improve once their acne clears up. Has to be off the charts.
 
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seattlejazzfan said:
posts like that make me laugh. teams like the jazz and hornets are showing interest in every one of a handful to a couple of handfuls of dudes at 5 and 4. and yes, Kon is that group. nothing more.
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100% you spread rumors you are into guys as well. Say you do want to move up to Philly's pick and they really want to move back and get Kon... if they think he isn't there past 5 then they deal with you.

We will be interested in literally everyone in that range and there will be rumors galore.
 
KqWIN said:
I read that Peek article and it was really odd. For one, it had the wrong teams at the wrong number (had CHO at #6). OK, mistakes happen....but Peek also said that Kon's range was like mid to late first round before the combine?
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You find it odd because you aren't in the gyms scouting. Only those that do can be trusted at all. She's smart you are dumb... she's a professional expert lol.
 
The what if on Kas is if he can make that nasty step back 3 like he was at the first of the season. If he can then that opens everything up and he can initiate offense in the NBA. The other what if is how will maturity improve his turnover problem.

The other thing people down play with Kas is that he is strong and tough. He is not afraid to mix it up with the trees to draw fouls and get rebounds.
 
KqWIN said:
You're right, and now that I've been put in my place I now know that CHO is interested in taking Kas at #6 because they need size in the backcourt.
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You do know I was joking right? She shamed the X draft experts... only those with access can know ball.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
Kas is a better shooter (59%TS vs 53%TS), had better combine athletic testing (is more athletic to my eyes as well), is a better passer, a better defender (both are bad), and created almost everything for himself vs Riley who had a lot of his offense created for him. He is younger and is only has an inch less wingspan. Can you explain to me how you have Riley ahead of Kas? I'm not sure what you are basing that off of.

Kas should probably be in the next tier (7-18 range), but I just like him more and so I bumped him up a tier. The argument for him is that he was the lead ball handler of a good team as an 18 year old who was pretty efficient, and so that should be theoretically possible for him to be a lead ball handler in the NBA. And if he isn't good enough to do that at the NBA level then he should easily have the ability to play off ball. So for me he has high upside and a high floor.

I know you've said that you don't believe in the upside, so I get not having him top 10, but the high floor should keep him in the top 15 range, in my opinion.
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I like Kas for this reason as well. As a Zags fan, have enjoyed watching their offense evolve over the years. However, a 2 PG system has been a fairly constant approach. Pacers are showing how that could look with Nembhard/Halliburton. Has good size. Don’t think he is top 5 though but if he slips would love to get him later
 
Drafting a wing who isn't good at shooting or defense is probably not a good idea in the first place, but Riley has a lot of areas where he has potential and could improve. Nothing good yet, but seems to be a high feel guy at least.

I've struggled to find comparisons to him as a prospect or as a pro. All around wing sound nice, but who even is an all around wing that isn't a star? Rui? Tobias? Levert?
 
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