If Boozer isn't worth $80 mil, who is?

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Still waiting for a name...

Who do you think is or will be worth an $80 mil contract- not counting players on their rookie contracts or just barely coming off the rookie contract (due to the lower max)?

Players worth $80mm to the Jazz:
Garnett a few years ago
Pau Gasol
Dwight Howard
Maybe Brandon Roy in a year or two
Maybe Paul Pierce a few years ago
Maybe Ray Allen his last year or two with the Sonics
Dirk Nowitzki
Tim Duncan a few years ago
Maybe Chris Bosh

We signed Boozer for $68mm 5 years ago, and he exceeded expectations when he played hard. I agree with you that $80mm isn't too much for him. The issue is that he doesn't always play hard. One year he missed 1/3 of the season only to say he was healthy a day or two after the season ended.

Boozer at $80mm certainly isn't worse than AK at $70 million.

 

[SaltyDawg]

What are you talking about? You asked who is worth 80 million dollars, not who would sign for 80 million dollars. And I'm confused as hell. The Jazz do not have 80 million dollars to spend, so what is the point of this?

Who signs for $80 mil and who is worth $80 mil is pretty much the same thing. I can sit here and say I think Lebron is worth the mid level and kobe is worth the minimum. But we both know they aren't signing for less than the max, so they wouldn't represent good players that are worth the mid level or minimum or whatever. My point is, if Boozer isn't worth the mid level- then who is? and no, Lebron, Kobe, Dwight Howard, etc, are not good examples because they are all making way more than $80 mil.

It is partly based on how much they made the previous year. I don't even the Jazz could have given Booze 120M

It's based on the number of years in the league (I think). I know it can also be based on what you made the previous year because players get raises every year. But it doesn't change the fact- all the players being touted as being worth Boozer's $80 mil are all making way more than Boozer's $80 mil.

If you guys want a Stoudemire then you need to be talking abotu $100 mil players, not $80 mil players. Boozer is an $80 mil player that just gave the Jazz a chance to match his offer. A lot of people on this board seem to think it was a no brainer to let him walk at that price. So I'm curious who they think we could get for that price.

 

[Stifle Tower]

20 and 10. 20 and 10. Technically, Carlos did not average 20-10 last season. He didn't average 20-10 the season before, either.
And in the Jazz offense, Carlos SHOULD get 20-10. Heck, I think Millsap could average 18 and 9, or pretty darn close.

Yes, I know $16M ain't MAX money. $20M is MAX money. So, I revise my statement. Why pay a PF damn near MAX money (80% of it) when you have a very good PF making half that. And history has shown that there is generally a huge decline after 30. Atlanta is going to regret paying Johnson $119M. Jazz might regret Boozer leaving. Maybe he puts up monster numbers in Chicago. But Miller simply could not take a $96M chance that the next 6 years of Carlos would mirror the previous six.

 

[Ben10]

Boozer at $80mm certainly isn't worse than AK at $70 million.

Which is the crutch of the whole situation. If we didn't have the AK for $70 million the Boozer for $80 million might just be worth it. Of corse we would need him to be Karl Malone when it comes to injuries and production in those last 2 years to make it that way.

 

[The Ghost of Blue Edwards]

Yea, but the Jazz don't have 80 million dollars to spend on a guy who's not going to deliver a championship to the franchise. I guess if you believe Boozer could bring a championship to Utah then the argument changes, but I'm not sure how anyone could believe that.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Players worth $80mm to the Jazz:
Garnett a few years ago
Pau Gasol
Dwight Howard
Maybe Brandon Roy in a year or two
Maybe Paul Pierce a few years ago
Maybe Ray Allen his last year or two with the Sonics
Dirk Nowitzki
Tim Duncan a few years ago
Maybe Chris Bosh

We signed Boozer for $68mm 5 years ago, and he exceeded expectations when he played hard. I agree with you that $80mm isn't too much for him. The issue is that he doesn't always play hard. One year he missed 1/3 of the season only to say he was healthy a day or two after the season ended.

Boozer at $80mm certainly isn't worse than AK at $70 million.

That list is all max players. Boozer did not sign for the max.

 

[richgates]

Whether or not they are Max players, you asked for a list and you got one. If you are looking for a different answer, perhaps you should ask a different question.

 

[Borat]

Is Boozer worth 5 years $80 million to those clubs with cap space. Yes, he is. Is he worth it to the Jazz and the huge lux tax payment that comes with him. No. This is still a buisness.

I think we are in agreement here: Booz is worth 80 mil in the absolute sense, but because Jazz FO and ownership poorly managed their roster and salary spending, we are unable to keep a star PF, who was gracious enough to give us a chance to match (I didn't think he would), and are forced to lose a player of such caliber (2nd best on the team, 2 time all star, 2 time all NBA, Olympic gold medalist, 20 and 10) for absolutely nothing in return, hence jeopardizing the return of out star PG, who said he wanted talent in order to stay in 2 years. Wouldn't you say, based on what we just agreed upon, this is pretty big screw up by FO/ownership (not just this year, but over the years that leas to this)?

The part about Deron is just poor research on your part. The Jazz tried with everything they had to Sign him to the full 5 years. DERON wouldn't do it. Opting to only sign for 3 years to see if the Jazz could stay competitive. Just like Lebron, Wade, and Bosh did to there teams. So don't be blaming that on the Jazz FO.

How many days before extension period was over did we agree to this unfavorable 3-year deal? I recall well - well before deadline. Correct me if I am wrong. And besides, as I just said, we didn't have to agree to it at all. Let him play, then match any offer next year. But it would not come down to that. When things would get tight, Deron would sign 5 year deal. You just don't pass up 5 year MAX deal when you just came off rookie contract. What if you get serious injury (a la Livingston, Jay Williams)? It's not like you already made 100 mil. You only made a few mil on rookie deal. You can't just refuse a deal worth 85 mil when you career earnings are 5 mil. But things never got tight. Just like with AK, Jazz managed to have all the aces up their sleeves and got played at the end. And now with FO fumbling away Booz for nothing, this 3 year deal might just bite us in the *** harder than we thought.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Whether or not they are Max players, you asked for a list and you got one. If you are looking for a different answer, perhaps you should ask a different question.

Again, if I ask for a list of players worth the mid level, are you going to list Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Dwight Howard, and Chris Bosh?

Yeah, any team would be happy to get any of them for the mid level but it isn't happening. And no team is getting any of them for $80 mil either. They are all max players. That is what they are worth.

So, again, what players are worth $80 mil if Boozer isn't?

 

[Borat]

Again, if I ask for a list of players worth the mid level, are you going to list Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Dwight Howard, and Chris Bosh?

Yeah, any team would be happy to get any of them for the mid level but it isn't happening. And no team is getting any of them for $80 mil either. They are all max players. That is what they are worth.

So, again, what players are worth $80 mil if Boozer isn't?

I would even add a second question that goes hand in hand with this one. Which 20 - 10 guys (or 19.5/11.2 - you get the point) aged 28 years signed for deals in recent memory for less than what Booz signed for?

 

[richgates]

Again, if I ask for a list of players worth the mid level, are you going to list Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Dwight Howard, and Chris Bosh?

Yeah, any team would be happy to get any of them for the mid level but it isn't happening. And no team is getting any of them for $80 mil either. They are all max players. That is what they are worth.

So, again, what players are worth $80 mil if Boozer isn't?

I think a mid level exception is a fair amount different than the $4 million a year that separates Boozer from a max contract. Boozer is not worth 80 million to the Jazz, period. The front office has spoken. If you disagree with it, that's fine but ultimately you're not the one signing the checks. Do I think Boozer is worth 80 million to the Bulls? Clearly he is because they paid it.

 

[David Stern]

Yeah. Even Rudy Gay just got MAX. That brings up another question: how can Memphis be so dumb to give away Gasol for nothing to get CAP room, and then just spend it all on Gay. This just makes no sense at all.

It helped the Lakers, duh.