Jackpotting Around Podcast: Episode 8 - To Convey Or Not To Convey and Let’s Start A Discussion About Collin Sexton

[fishonjazz]

Almost like the Jazz are trying to pump his value since they know his per minute stats are off the chart and that he is somewhat injury prone due to his style of play. Less minutes equals crazier per minute stats/advanced stats and less risk of injury. Traded in the off-season

We all know your theory.
Was doing the same thing to simone I guess. He is balling now with more minutes.

Playing guys less minutes than normal is kind of hardys thing. (clarkson and keyonte being the exceptions. He likes guys who take tough inefficient shots a lot i think)

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Almost like the Jazz are trying to pump his value since they know his per minute stats are off the chart and that he is somewhat injury prone due to his style of play. Less minutes equals crazier per minute stats/advanced stats and less risk of injury. Traded in the off-season

Makes sense… will leave room for that big THT extension.

 

[KqWIN]

It will just never not be funny to me how much people want to ignore how Keyonte is treated vs how Sexton is treated and act like that isnt a huge indicator on how the Jazz see the future of the team.

Let's not forget to start the year the Jazz thought THT was the better player to start instead of Sexton. It's very clear the Jazz view Sexton as a 6th man and he has outplayed that role. You think that is suddenly going to make DA forget his mantra of wanting to build the team w/ height and make Sexton the starting 2 guard of the future?

Whether you agree or disagree with the FO…it is hard to ignore that the FO/coaching staff doesn’t seem to be super high on him. Like you said all the signs were there. They believed in THT more than Sexton to start the year. They rolled out the red carpet to let Keyonte start near the beginning of the season. Clarkson can basically do no wrong and will almost always get the minutes over Sexton. Even when the Jazz were on that streak and Sexton was trying people, his minutes weren’t super high. I mean….this podcast was talking about why he should play more minutes. That’s a clear sign that the Jazz are relatively low on him.

Like I said, anyone can have their own opinion on Sexton, hard to ignore that internally the Jazz are cooler on him than the fan base. OTOH, they are sky high on Key and giving him every opportunity. Sexton and Key are not a long term fit. I don’t think that’s necessarily a problem that has to be solved now…but it’s pretty clear who the FO is leaning towards if/when a decision has to be made.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Whether you agree or disagree with the FO…it is hard to ignore that the FO/coaching staff doesn’t seem to be super high on him. Like you said all the signs were there. They believed in THT more than Sexton to start the year. They rolled out the red carpet to let Keyonte start near the beginning of the season. Clarkson can basically do no wrong and will almost always get the minutes over Sexton. Even when the Jazz were on that streak and Sexton was trying people, his minutes weren’t super high. I mean….this podcast was talking about why he should play more minutes. The reason he doesn’t is that the FO/coaching staff does not believe in him as much as you’d expect.

Like I said, anyone can have their own opinion on Sexton, hard to ignore that internally the Jazz are cooler on him than the fan base. OTOH, they are sky high on Key and giving him every opportunity. Sexton and Key are not a long term fit. I don’t think that’s necessarily a problem that has to be solved now…but it’s pretty clear who the FO is leaning towards if/when a decision has to be made.

It has to be solved by Sexton's next contract imo. I think if you want max value on a Sexton trade you want to do it at or before next year's deadline

 

[framer]

He has two years left on his contract after this year season concludes.

If you want to capitalize on his play, this off-season is the time to trade him. That's an interesting Sexton discussion to be had.

You are invited to start your own podcast where you discuss all the dumb *** things you want to talk about. I'll bet the listenership isn't going to be there for you though. .

 

[KqWIN]

You are invited to start your own podcast where you discuss all the dumb *** things you want to talk about. I'll bet the listenership isn't going to be there for you though. .

Is the point of this thread to not discuss the topics presented in the podcasts? I don’t know why you always complain about other people having opinions. You don’t even complain that they’re wrong, but they’re wrong for posting it. This is a thread about a podcast on a basketball forum. People are going to talk about the podcast. Get over it.

 

[KqWIN]

It has to be solved by Sexton's next contract imo. I think if you want max value on a Sexton trade you want to do it at or before next year's deadline

Could be true. I don’t think it’s easy to liquidate Sexton’s value into another player or picks. This is especially true on a larger contract. Might not be a ton of buyers. I don’t think, for example, the Knicks would be able to trade Randle easily even though he’s a multi all star, multi all NBA player. He’s playing great, but Sexton just isn’t a desired archetype.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

You are invited to start your own podcast where you discuss all the dumb *** things you want to talk about. I'll bet the listenership isn't going to be there for you though. .

I would listen to a Cy podcast. Hopefully it wouldn't just be about THT, but the things you quoted would actually be interesting topics.

 

[fishonjazz]

Julius randle is another player who can only dream of being as efficient as sexton.
Randle has worse shooting percentages, less points on more shots, and more turnovers than sexton.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

When I was scrolling through OBPM to see the leaders, Sexton has the 2nd lowest DBPM among the top offensive players, right next to Trae Young.

It's not.

It is bad and disingenuous... and here is why. You throw in an unnecessary qualifier. When looking at the best offensive players you state Sexton has the 2nd lowest DBPM and its right next to Trae. It makes it sound as if these guys are the worst defenders in the league because of an unrelated unnecessary qualifier. If you simply wanted to present some facts you could say Sexton has a -1.5 DBPM and Trae has a -2.3. If you were just "scrolling through" and looking at DBPM you'd also quickly note that Lauri is also a -1.5... I mean since you had picked a way to sort something in a dumbass manner I think you'd also see that Lauri #11 in OBPM was also exactly the same as Sexton #23 in OBPM.

If you really actually wanted to present some real facts you might have sorted the DBPM by clicking your mouse and "scroll through" the actual thing you wanted to present. You might also note that Key is a -2.4 and Jordan is a -3.1 (very last in the league). You might also note that the difference between Sexton and say Steph, Dame, and Maxey is fairly negligible.. they are all -1.2.

Its almost like you wanted to paint a sliver of the story for some reason... wonder why.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Whether you agree or disagree with the FO…it is hard to ignore that the FO/coaching staff doesn’t seem to be super high on him. Like you said all the signs were there. They believed in THT more than Sexton to start the year. They rolled out the red carpet to let Keyonte start near the beginning of the season. Clarkson can basically do no wrong and will almost always get the minutes over Sexton. Even when the Jazz were on that streak and Sexton was trying people, his minutes weren’t super high. I mean….this podcast was talking about why he should play more minutes. That’s a clear sign that the Jazz are relatively low on him.

Like I said, anyone can have their own opinion on Sexton, hard to ignore that internally the Jazz are cooler on him than the fan base. OTOH, they are sky high on Key and giving him every opportunity. Sexton and Key are not a long term fit. I don’t think that’s necessarily a problem that has to be solved now…but it’s pretty clear who the FO is leaning towards if/when a decision has to be made.

Not disagreeing with most of this... just want it stated I am comfortable disagreeing with the org and staff at this point. Had enough instances where my uninformed opinion was more right than their professional opinion.

At the start of the year Collin wasn't good (none of the Jazz guards were) so I can see misdiagnosing things. Now I think Hardy is managing a few things... Key's development minutes, JC desire to finish games/play his normal minutes after "accepting" the bench role, and Sexton loses a few minutes but gets to start. I also don't think we are trying to maximize on court performance most nights anyway. It is still them prioritizing other things than Collin so still not a good sign. I think it is a mistake as he is proving it on and off the court. If they are so rigid in their thinking on what this needs to be and look like then I think we are in big trouble. Don't ignore the reality at the end of your nose.

 

[KqWIN]

Not disagreeing with most of this... just want it stated I am comfortable disagreeing with the org and staff at this point. Had enough instances where my uninformed opinion was more right than their professional opinion.

At the start of the year Collin wasn't good (none of the Jazz guards were) so I can see misdiagnosing things. Now I think Hardy is managing a few things... Key's development minutes, JC desire to finish games/play his normal minutes after "accepting" the bench role, and Sexton loses a few minutes but gets to start. I also don't think we are trying to maximize on court performance most nights anyway. It is still them prioritizing other things than Collin so still not a good sign. I think it is a mistake as he is proving it on and off the court. If they are so rigid in their thinking on what this needs to be and look like then I think we are in big trouble. Don't ignore the reality at the end of your nose.

That's fair, I think Sexton is good and has gotten quite a bit better. At the same time, I have a very hard time seeing Key and Sexton as a long term fit. You can go pretty far with two small guards who don't defend, but it feels nearly impossible to go all the way. I don't think it necessarily has to be solved yet. We really don't know how good Keyonte will be. But as Saint mentioned, time might be ticking if you want to make the decision to go with Key and trade Sexton.

Just based on actions from the FO/Hardy....I would not be surprised with a Sexton trade. But he is a difficult player to trade. I would caution getting ahead of ourselves though....We haven't even made the playoffs yet. I think Key and Sexton could take us to that 50 win zone where we're also capable of winning a playoff series. I think it's fine to shoot for that, and then readjust from there.