I didn't read the article but I will. I wonder how many of the 60 made accusations or said they noticed something. Well, it will be interesting. In other words, you believe he lied in his account.You're wrong tho.
'Separately from the statement by the organization’s management, journalists at MPR News published a lengthy article on Tuesday, based on interviews with more than 60 people who worked with Keillor in some capacity, that outlined what it was allegedly like for women to work for him. The article describes “a years long pattern of behavior that left several women who worked for Keillor feeling mistreated, sexualized or belittled.'
That's from the article that was shared with you.
"Look at all these women getting assaulted, this world sure is getting dangerous...for men."
Not to jump to conclusions... but this sounds like something not great happened. If it was just he's too old I'd think they would have addressed it in the offseason. The fact they used "fired"... not great.
I'm moving the discussion to General because this isn't Jazz-related. I read the article and you can see my take there.I read Keillor's account that he wrote himself. Either he is a liar or that woman is ... I prefer to believe him because his reputation was impeccable and no other cast member has said this about him after 40 years doing the show. In fact, he is a rather introverted person and not given to open shows of physical contact, like even hugging, for instance. Read his account. The MeToo thing is like McCarthyism making lots of accusations, many of them unproven or uncorroborated. This is not to say that real pervs like Weinstein or Cosby aren't guilty. But when people like the Hawaii Senator on the Judiciary Committee equates the way a man looks at a woman to sexual harassment, then I know this movement has really gone off the deep end.
Thanks for the name calling, that too is associated with fascism.
You can't fire someone for being too old
EenieI was thinking the same thing -- he inappropriately touched some young lady's fanny but probably didn't even realize it, like Garrison Keillor when he rubbed some woman's back to comfort her when she was in distress. Who knows, but the feminists are getting their revenge on men for keeping them at home tending to the kids and other domestic duties for so long.
I read Keillor's account that he wrote himself. Either he is a liar or that woman is ... I prefer to believe him because his reputation was impeccable and no other cast member has said this about him after 40 years doing the show. In fact, he is a rather introverted person and not given to open shows of physical contact, like even hugging, for instance. Read his account. The MeToo thing is like McCarthyism making lots of accusations, many of them unproven or uncorroborated. This is not to say that real pervs like Weinstein or Cosby aren't guilty. But when people like the Hawaii Senator on the Judiciary Committee equates the way a man looks at a woman to sexual harassment, then I know this movement has really gone off the deep end.
Thanks for the name calling, that too is associated with fascism.
And let's not convict people before the accusations are proven.Eenie
Are there no women in your life? Estimates are that, 1 in 4 women will be assaulted at some point in their life. I did an in depth research into military sexual trauma (mst) and over 95% of the people assaulted do NOT report it.
The problem is not how many men are falsely accused. The dangerous narrative that 45 was pushing, for admittedly political purposes, that #metoo is a threat to innocent men will just convince more women to remain silent. Don't be part of the problem.
Let's stop the muzzling of the victims of sexual assault by erecting barriers to them telling their story. Stigma, and ridicule can be effective barriers, let's take them down for our girls' sakes.
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Read my rebuttal in the appropriate thread.Right, because if Keillor did it he would just confess. Not all accusers are "getting their revenge on men". Here are some pieces of the MPR letter regarding the investigation:
1) "In a letter to MPR dated October 22, 2017, the woman’s attorney described dozens of sexually inappropriate incidents directed at her client over a period of years. In fact, the woman’s attorney presented us with a 12-page letter detailing many of the alleged incidents, including excerpts of emails and written messages, requests for sexual contact and explicit descriptions of sexual communications and touching."
2) "MPR provided the independent investigator with all requested access to MPR documents, emails, text messages and other materials to assist in the search for facts and the investigator informed the special Trustee committee of the facts she uncovered. The facts, not mere allegations, were the basis for our decision."
3) "Before the decision to end our relationship was made, Garrison and his attorneys were asked multiple times for access to Garrison’s computer, emails and text messages to assist in the investigation. To date, all requests to review Garrison’s emails and texts related to this matter have been refused by Garrison or his attorneys."
4) "MPR has received two formal complaints, both making allegations about Garrison’s behavior in the workplace. One of the individuals is a woman who claims Garrison’s behavior was directed at her, and the other individual claims to know about some of the alleged behavior."
So the woman provided evidence (including electronic and written) from her records and has a second witness, MPR was able to confirm with thier own records, and Garrison agreed to leave rather than provide access to his email (or computer, or texts). What other proof do you want? Your personal bias is getting in the way of reason.
Eenie
Are there no women in your life? Estimates are that, 1 in 4 women will be assaulted at some point in their life. I did an in depth research into military sexual trauma (mst) and over 95% of the people assaulted do NOT report it.
The problem is not how many men are falsely accused. The dangerous narrative that 45 was pushing, for admittedly political purposes, that #metoo is a threat to innocent men will just convince more women to remain silent. Don't be part of the problem.
Let's stop the muzzling of the victims of sexual assault by erecting barriers to them telling their story. Stigma, and ridicule can be effective barriers, let's take them down for our girls' sakes.
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Uh yeah. It's not exactly an uncommon occurence.I didn't read the article but I will. I wonder how many of the 60 made accusations or said they noticed something. Well, it will be interesting. In other words, you believe he lied in his account.
Would be strange to not retire the number of a HOFer.Will Bear have his number retired?
They developed a culture of sexual harassment over the course of many years. No woman was safe working within that hell hole!!What went down with the Mavs?
It could be anything. Not like the org was going to give details. In fact the worse it is probably means the less details they give. Probably easier to just say issues with staffGood point. That makes it sound more like he told off his boss.
Not at all. If bear touches my wife, he’s getting shot between the eyes!!are we really going to hold a bear to the same standard that we hold a human being?
??"Look at all these women getting assaulted, this world sure is getting dangerous...for men."
I'm moving the discussion to General because this isn't Jazz-related. I read the article and you can see my take there.