Joe Ingles: Article on Son's Autism Diagnosis

[Getting Traded]

Yet another thread gone to complete ****. Thanks fellas!

Watch this and tell me he is ignorant too:

 

[Getting Traded]

That is exactly the sort of argument I would expect from a flat-earther, creationist, or someone who claims there are no diseases caused by germs.



Thank you for acknowledging that my position was indeed the most reliable, most explanatory, and best supported type of knowledge that science has: a theory. Gravitation is a theory. That electricity results from the flow of electrons is a theory. The blood carrying oxygen to other parts of the body is a theory. Multiple types and causes of cancer is a theory.



Please describe what a "cure" for a gene transcription error would consist of. Be detailed.

Sorry, I was just kidding. No one thinks you have the intelligence, expertise, or understanding to know what a cure would consist it, and I'm not sure if you have the intelligence, expertise, or understanding to know what "gene transcription error" means.



Yes, all 0g of mercury and heavy metals present in vaccines are processed by the liver. It's basic math. 0 * 100% = 0.

You are so smug. All your arguments are those of a sophist. All surface and twisting of words with absolutely nothing to support your point. Gene Transcription Error? Since when did anyone declare that to be the cause of cancer? That is just a theory, but most of the evidence is starting to lean towards the fact that cancer is a metabolic disease and alternative treatment specialists are using diet and supplements, herbs, detox, fasting, cannabis, and other treatments to cure it without the carcinogenic effects of radiation and chemo.

 

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So one person’s internet research and a video of a charismatic guy at a cancer conspiracy conference >>> what literally ALL the doctors say.

Duly noted.

 

[Getting Traded]

So one person’s internet research and a video of a charismatic guy at a cancer conspiracy conference >>> what literally ALL the doctors say.

Duly noted.

The point I'm making is that you need to exercise caution with vaccines because they aren't completely safe as most doctors would have you believe. Why people can't get that and act as if I say that vaccines are bad is because they aren't attacking what I'm saying but attacking me personally. I haven't researched it thoroughly. But I always say where there's smoke, there's fire, and we should listen to the skeptics before rejecting them out of hand because someone, the drug companies who make lots of money from vaccines, say it isn't true.

 

[Kyoto]

This is ridiculous retort that doesn't respond to what I have said. Just a red herring argument. There is more to it than the original article that was "discredited."

Here's some facts you should consider:

Recent research examined health outcomes following the introduction of diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis (DTP) and oral polio vaccine in Guinea-Bissau, which took place in the early 1980s. DTP vaccine was associated with fivefold higher mortality than being unvaccinated. According to the authors, “All currently available evidence suggests that DTP vaccine may kill more children from other causes than it saves from diphtheria, tetanus or pertussis”

Both the U.S. Congress and the Supreme Court have concluded that government licensed vaccines are "unavoidably unsafe.” Vaccines also have the highest number of recalls of any drug

One in 6 American children has a developmental disability, which includes ADD, ADHD, autism, learning disabilities, mental disabilities, seizures and stammering. Many of these are also listed or known side effects of vaccines.

Fifty-four percent of children have a diagnosed chronic illness, including asthma, chronic ear infections, diabetes, food and/or environmental allergies and epilepsy. This list also mirrors many of the acknowledged side effects of vaccines, and the rise in prevalence of these diseases parallel the rise in required vaccines

Hmmm

 

[Sandman822]

The point I'm making is that you need to exercise caution with vaccines because they aren't completely safe as most doctors would have you believe. Why people can't get that and act as if I say that vaccines are bad is because they aren't attacking what I'm saying but attacking me personally. I haven't researched it thoroughly. But I always say where there's smoke, there's fire, and we should listen to the skeptics before rejecting them out of hand because someone, the drug companies who make lots of money from vaccines, say it isn't true.

There's literally zero medications in the world that are considered 100% safe, but vaccinations are about as safe as you can get and the chances of someone dying from a complication of a vaccination are significantly smaller than other things most people do on a day to day basis like drive a car (dying in car crash) or eating food (dying from food poisoning), and the benefits of said medications when used properly vastly outweigh the potential side effects which is why patients are often given medication even if there are some negative side effects.

Doctors will call medications or treatments like vaccinations "safe", but you'd be hard pressed to find a doctor that would readily say that they are "completely safe" because of the minute risk of something happening. Semantics are important here, and you're trying to paint a picture of all doctors in the world calling things like vaccinations "completely safe" implying a 100% safety rate and how that's not true and people are risking their health on vaccinations when in reality it's probably more like 99.9999% safe and it's much rarer an occurance of someone dying from a flu shot than many other risks that human populations accept on a day to day basis as life.

 

[Getting Traded]

There's literally zero medications in the world that are considered 100% safe, but vaccinations are about as safe as you can get and the chances of someone dying from a complication of a vaccination are significantly smaller than other things most people do on a day to day basis like drive a car (dying in car crash) or eating food (dying from food poisoning), and the benefits of said medications when used properly vastly outweigh the potential side effects which is why patients are often given medication even if there are some negative side effects.

Doctors will call medications or treatments like vaccinations "safe", but you'd be hard pressed to find a doctor that would readily say that they are "completely safe" because of the minute risk of something happening. Semantics are important here, and you're trying to paint a picture of all doctors in the world calling things like vaccinations "completely safe" implying a 100% safety rate and how that's not true and people are risking their health on vaccinations when in reality it's probably more like 99.9999% safe and it's much rarer an occurance of someone dying from a flu shot than many other risks that human populations accept on a day to day basis as life.

Watch the video Sandman and see if you still think they are 99.999 % safe. I think he raises legitimate concerns. Doctors used to say that cigarettes were good for you too.

 

[Sandman822]

Watch the video Sandman and see if you still think they are 99.999 % safe. I think he raises legitimate concerns. Doctors used to say that cigarettes were good for you too.

Until there's imperical evidence to suggest otherwise I'm going to go with science on this one, but thank you. I checked out the study you posted about higher mortality rates for vaccinated babies in Africa, there are a number of questionable decisions/factors made in the study but overall the study was more about the scheduling of vaccinations in infants rather than the safety of the vaccinations themselves.

 

[Kyoto]

Watch the video Sandman and see if you still think they are 99.999 % safe. I think he raises legitimate concerns. Doctors used to say that cigarettes were good for you too.

Hmm

 

[hgb]

But I always say where there's smoke, there's fire

This is the problem right here. Any loon with charisma and some presentation skills can conjure up "smoke" from absolutely nothing. It happens all the time.

 

[Getting Traded]

This is the problem right here. Any loon with charisma and some presentation skills can conjure up "smoke" from absolutely nothing. It happens all the time.

Did you watch the video? Why have the number of scheduled vaccines increased to such a degree? The reaction of people here to reasonable concerns shows how ripe we are for an authoritarian government. I also posted Marcia Angell's lecture to show that we must be very skeptical about Big Pharma because it doesn't really care about the health of people, only selling their drugs. And she is far from some loon.

 

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You are so smug.

No, I'm just correct in this particular argument. It only sounds smug.

All surface and twisting of words with absolutely nothing to support your point.

One example of a twisted word, please?

Gene Transcription Error? Since when did anyone declare that to be the cause of cancer?

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/cancer/symptoms-causes/syc-20370588

Causes
Cancer is caused by changes (mutations) to the DNA within cells. The DNA inside a cell is packaged into a large number of individual genes, each of which contains a set of instructions telling the cell what functions to perform, as well as how to grow and divide. Errors in the instructions can cause the cell to stop its normal function and may allow a cell to become cancerous.
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Gene mutations that occur after birth. Most gene mutations occur after you're born and aren't inherited. A number of forces can cause gene mutations, such as smoking, radiation, viruses, cancer-causing chemicals (carcinogens), obesity, hormones, chronic inflammation and a lack of exercise.

That is just a theory, but most of the evidence is starting to lean towards the fact that cancer is a metabolic disease ...

Yes, it is a theory, that is, the most reliable, most explanatory, and best supported type of knowledge that science has. Meanwhile, cancer being caused by a metabolic condition is unsupported quackery, and the people who treat cancer as a purely metabolic disease are quacks endangering the lives of their patients, providing therapies to do not improve their patients survival rate.

 

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Yet another thread gone to complete ****. Thanks fellas!

You're correct. This is a heartwarming story being ruined by yet another discussion of the phony vaccine questioning. I regret that.

That said, when someone puts out dangerous information that could lead to people dying, should those who know better stay silent?

 

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Here's some facts you should consider:

Recent research examined health outcomes following the introduction of diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis (DTP) and oral polio vaccine in Guinea-Bissau, which took place in the early 1980s. DTP vaccine was associated with fivefold higher mortality than being unvaccinated. According to the authors, “All currently available evidence suggests that DTP vaccine may kill more children from other causes than it saves from diphtheria, tetanus or pertussis”

So, earlier you were saying that that there were issues with scientific publications (which is true and widely acknowledged), and now you want to use a single scientific publication with no supporting research as hard evidence?

Both the U.S. Congress and the Supreme Court have concluded that government licensed vaccines are "unavoidably unsafe.”

Quotes in context, please.

Vaccines also have the highest number of recalls of any drug

I should hope so. Very few other drugs are made from living things.

One in 6 American children has a developmental disability, which includes ADD, ADHD, autism, learning disabilities, mental disabilities, seizures and stammering. Many of these are also listed or known side effects of vaccines.

ADD, ADHD, autism, learning disabilities, mental disabilities and stammering are not side effects of vaccines.

Fifty-four percent of children have a diagnosed chronic illness, including asthma, chronic ear infections, diabetes, food and/or environmental allergies and epilepsy. This list also mirrors many of the acknowledged side effects of vaccines,

None of those are side effects of vaccines.

 

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We also borrow money from the Fed. Do you even know what the Fed is -- it's a consortium of private banks who set the interest rate from which the government borrows money from them.

The Federal Reserve is owned and controlled by the US. However, it does own Treasury bonds, so in that sense the government does borrow from the Fed.

 

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Watch this and tell me he is ignorant too:

He's a quack who peddles lies.

https://respectfulinsolence.com/tag/del-bigtree/

https://respectfulinsolence.com/201...ocumentary-vaxxed-is-reviewed-with-insolence/

 

[Alfalfa]

Ah, a story about autism is posted, and predictably, some deranged person brings up vaccines.

 

[Getting Traded]

The Federal Reserve is owned and controlled by the US. However, it does own Treasury bonds, so in that sense the government does borrow from the Fed.

The Fed is not owned by the U.S. The Fed is a group of private banks commissioned by the government to print money. However, the Constitution mandates the U.S. Treasury to do this. It's a ruse created by bankers to make money from us. See, the movie, The Secret of Oz.

 

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Did you watch the video? Why have the number of scheduled vaccines increased to such a degree?

Because we vaccinate against more diseases than ever before. MY kids had vaccines that weren't available when I was a kid.

I also posted Marcia Angell's lecture to show that we must be very skeptical about Big Pharma because it doesn't really care about the health of people, only selling their drugs. And she is far from some loon.

Marcia Angell also supports the full vaccination schedule. Why don't you believe her about that?

 

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The Fed is not owned by the U.S. The Fed is a group of private banks commissioned by the government to print money. However, the Constitution mandates the U.S. Treasury to do this. It's a ruse created by bankers to make money from us. See, the movie, The Secret of Oz.

https://www.thebalance.com/who-owns-the-federal-reserve-3305974

The Board is an independent agency of the federal government. But its decisions don't have to be approved by the president, legislators, or any elected official.

Some other banks are required to but shares in the 12 smaller, regional Federal Reserve subsidiaries, but the Fed itself belongs to the Federal government.