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One Brow said:
To be clear, your description of "mentally sick" also describes the OathKeepers, the Proud Boys, Utah Senator Mike Lee, Georgia Rep. Green, and a host of other people who have enormous frustation, and continue to direct it at politicians as opposed to employee shortages and supply chain disruptions.


The attacker left behind a politically-motivated explanation of his actions. What does it take for you to think actions are politically motivated?
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I would add corporate greed to the end of your first sentence.
 
fishonjazz said:
So lets say you have a mentally sick person angry at life. Lets say they think the earth if flat, the cdc is in bed with bill gates and is out to get them with vaccines filled with tracking devices that also are designed to lower the population. They believe jews control space lazers. They think windmills cause cancer. They are afraid of 5g cell phones. They think there is a secret deep state cabal of childrens blood drinking pedophiles. They believe that their neighbors who vote differently than them are anti american socialist marxists. They think their guns are being taken away from them and their children are being forced to become trans (even though neither thing is actually happening to them). They think there was a stolen election. They think trump is an honest, good, kind, compassionate, law abiding, selfless man who cares about his country more than himself. They think that their vehicle that they drive is being taken away from them and they are being forced to drive an electric vehicle. You know, your typical mentally sick person angry at life.

Lets say this mentally sick person angry at life watches tucker carlson and is a huge huge fan who believes everything he says and tucker tells this mentally sick person that democratic politicians are responsible for all of the above. That democrats are intentionally trying to destroy the country and their way of life. That democrats are the enemy. This mentally sick person hears about how nancy pelosi tried to make trump supporters look bad by sending a bunch of antifa agents to storm the capital and terrorize congress on january 6th. Everything is her and the evil democrats fault.

Maybe that mentally sick person angry at life is nudged just enough to take action. IDK
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Great post
 
fishonjazz said:
Ya, problems are much much more helpful to republicans right now than solutions or any good things in the country so problems are all they want to talk about and of course they will exaggerate to create as much fear and anger as possible.
Fear and anger are what the GOP are using to try to win elections currently. And it seems to be working. Violence is just an acceptable side effect of winning elections.
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Sadly, I think you’re dead on here.

Which is unfortunate. We need a principled, rational, and conservative party in this country that is focused on problem solving through governing. Instead, we have a bunch of nutjobs who merely want to throw sand into the gears of governing while turning half the country onto the other half.
 
Again, I don’t think we should underestimate the power that conservative media has on our nation… and the detrimental impact it’s having in radicalizing citizens against each other:


View: https://twitter.com/whstancil/status/1585378372162818048?s=46&t=qNKGcAKvOfWyQ3IRs_Ed4Q


Want to turn Americans against vaccines? Just keep producing anti vax shows for months.

Want to make Americans scared of LGBT people and reading books?

Want to make Americans scared of POC and immigrants?

Want to make Americans think that like the only country with inflation?

Want to make Americans hate Nancy Pelosi so much that they’d kill her? Just keep doing what Fox News does every single day.

Either Fox News viewers will watch it… or it’ll be spread by other media outlets covering Fox news’s coverage of it… which will then be picked up on Facebook as hats and anger are far more interesting on social media than anything else.
 
None of the post was my words or opinions. It was thriller’s response to the politically-motivated attempted murder of congressional republicans and the shooting of Steve Scalise.

The Thriller said:
I think this is less a symptom of a populace brainwashed by media demonization and more of a mentally sick person angry at life. Perhaps he's taking his frustration out on those who just voted to take away his health insurance?

I'd even venture a theory that this less to do with media demonization and more to do with the ease of obtaining weapons and the frustration built up by a congress that doesn't even seem to care that its approval rating has been in the toilet for years.

Simple solution to all of this might be for politicians to start actually listening to constituents and actually place basic gun regulations that most other countries have been using for decades?

We might be reaching a tipping point. Desperate Americans have been told to "eat cake" while wealth inequality has skyrocketed. Even though most are frustrated with washington's indifference but don't resort to violence, Perhaps this individual felt it was time for a republican to eat lead?
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The Thriller said:
It's a shame that some people are trying to make this a political issue.
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infection said:
None of the post was my words or opinions. It was thriller’s response to the politically-motivated attempted murder of congressional republicans and the shooting of Steve Scalise.
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So then you do think the attack might have had something to do with politics and you were just trying to play a game of “gotcha”?


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infection said:
None of the post was my words or opinions. It was thriller’s response to the politically-motivated attempted murder of congressional republicans and the shooting of Steve Scalise.
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Yes. Nothing has changed since 2017. All pegs are square. Excellent point.

The mere fact that you have to go 5 years into the past to “get me” when all I have to do is look up what the former president is saying and see what violence he’s inciting on his social media platform today, sort of undermines your point.
Just this week:

View: https://twitter.com/brianklaas/status/1586098944417075201?s=46&t=vEgvmh26QE4emdmSnypqeA
But sure some guy shot Steve Scalise and was motivated by… someone? 5 years ago or something something. Was MSNBC targeting Scalise like Fox News and trump have targeted Pelosi? Was Obama giving credibility to some Qanon like cult? Was he claiming daily on social media and at political rallies that the election in 2016 had been stolen?
 
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It’s amazing the amount of deflection folks on the right use to downplay the god awful situation our country is in right now with right wing disinformation, cruelty, and authoritarianism rampant.

Most Republicans don’t believe Biden won in 2020. Most candidates are campaigning on Qanon, the Big Lie, and glorify the insurrection on Jan 6. Daily we hear that Biden isn’t the president but is a puppet for pedophiles and Jewish bankers. We have RW media and politicians cozying up to brazen white supremacists and touting white replacement theory. We have anti vax sludge spewed on the daily. Inflammatory rhetoric that would’ve been considered completely out of bounds just 5 or 10 years ago. And even “moderate conservatives” engage in whataboutism rather than admit that their side has a dangerous problem.

It’s just amazing.
 
fishonjazz said:
So then you do think the attack might have had something to do with politics and you were just trying to play a game of “gotcha”?
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It was a commentary on one particular poster, but could have easily applied to a number of people here, who have morphed into ideological balls of hate, not see people as people, but as belonging to this or that team. If it is this team that does a thing then whatever act is to be explained away, but if it is that team then it is proof that every member of the team is the worst kind of evil.

I think the guy who entered the Pelosi's home with the intent to kill is evil. I think the guy who shot Scalise is evil. I think the guy who intended to kill justice Kavanaugh is evil. That doesn't mean that all on the political left or the political right are in that same category. At the same time, it doesn't mean these actions are disconnected from the current political climate or the fault of COVID infection.
 
One Brow said:
Aaron Rupar is the tweeter, not the Fox News commentator.
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I know. You just misread what I wrote: “But the clown Aaron Rupar quoted wondered why he was not treated like anybody else who slammed somebody on the skull with a hammer”. I was not calling Rupar the clown, but the Fox commentator Rupar showed speaking in the clip. I can see how the confusion occurred however. I caused it. I should have added one simple word: But the clown THAT Aaron Rupar quoted. My bad…
 
Al-O-Meter said:
It was a commentary on one particular poster, but could have easily applied to a number of people here, who have morphed into ideological balls of hate, not see people as people, but as belonging to this or that team.
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The last right-wing poster you called out was ... ?
 
Red said:
I know. You just misread what I wrote: “But the clown Aaron Rupar quoted wondered why he was not treated like anybody else who slammed somebody on the skull with a hammer”. I was not calling Rupar the clown, but the Fox commentator Rupar showed speaking in the clip. I can see how the confusion occurred however. I caused it. I should have added one simple word: But the clown THAT Aaron Rupar quoted. My bad…
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Sorry about that.
 
Actually, should it not go without saying, even, that the attacker was mentally disturbed? Of course he was. But, it’s when you look at his postings, his writings, that one sees, that, apart from any other causes of his mental imbalance, he seems very clearly to have immersed himself in a far right ecosystem of hatred of Democratic politicians, with the usual collection of completely irrational conspiratorial nonsense endemic to the far right ecosystem. In other words, of course there was a political motivation.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Paul Pelosi attacker David DePape posted about QAnon conspiracy theories ahead of assault - Washington Examiner

David DePape, the man accused of beating Paul Pelosi over the head with a hammer, appears to have made a number of online posts referencing the QAnon conspiracy theory. DePape, 42, broke into the Pelosi home in San Francisco while House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was in Washington DC. called 911 and...
www.washingtonexaminer.com www.washingtonexaminer.com

Addressing the issue raised here that Republicans are somehow being universally and irrevocably branded as evil. At any given time in our history, one political party or the other may be more guilty of being “in the wrong” on issues, the use of inappropriate rhetoric, etc. Those of us who firmly believe the Republican Party is encouraging hateful rhetoric to be normalized, and who are simply pointing out that the GOP is mainlining groups and ideas that are inimical and dangerous to our democracy should be able to do so without being accused of somehow forgetting we are all human beings, and guilty of accusing everyone on the right as evil. I know I am not demonizing adherents to the MAGA movement. I do believe they are deluded, awash in conspiracism to the point conspiracism is their default thinking mode, but they’re human beings. I have friends in that camp. I feel badly for them, I don’t hate them.

Maybe Thriller goes overboard with his anger. Well, yes, he does. But, I see it as a righteous anger, given the dangers, plainly apparent from history, when democracies trend toward fascism. Of course he’s alarmed. He’s frantic to get his points across because he clearly understands history. And here is one damn good reason why any of us seeing the Republican Party as embracing anti-democratic policies can feel frustrated about the future of democracy in America:


View: https://twitter.com/RSI/status/1586416072751779842


This was before Greene was elected to Congress, but she’s been no better since. The Pelosi attacker was clearly influenced by QAnon, however he interpreted it in his deranged mind, and QAnon has long since entered the Republican mainstream. Maybe some liberals/Democrats have been influenced by it, but they must be few in number. This is coming from a far right ecosystem, and sorry if conservatives object, but it is being mainstreamed by the Republican Party, which is assisting in that party drifting away from, are you ready?….from REALITY! And that is clearly not good for our body politic. The Big Lie embraces a retreat from REALITY! And we should not point this out??!! I will. Every time. It’s why the Republican Party is dangerous right now, and calling them out for it is the right thing to do, not something to be criticized….


Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene repeatedly indicated support for executing prominent Democratic politicians in 2018 and 2019 before being elected to Congress, a CNN KFile review of hundreds of posts and comments from Greene’s Facebook page shows.

Greene, who represents Georgia’s 14th Congressional District, frequently posted far-right extremist and debunked conspiracy theories on her page, including the baseless QAnon conspiracy which casts former President Donald Trump in an imagined battle against a sinister cabal of Democrats and celebrities who abuse children.

In one post, from January 2019, Greene liked a comment that said “a bullet to the head would be quicker” to remove House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. In other posts, Greene liked comments about executing FBI agents who, in her eyes, were part of the “deep state” working against Trump.
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Those of you enamored of whataboutism and bothsidesism, more Liz Cheney’s and less Marge Greene’s would be a good thing to aim for moving forward….




View: https://twitter.com/btrekman1/status/1586340926158704640
 
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Red said:
Actually, should it not go without saying, even, that the attacker was mentally disturbed? Of course he was. But, it’s when you look at his postings, his writings, that one sees, that, apart from any other causes of his mental imbalance, he seems very clearly to have immersed himself in a far right ecosystem of hatred of Democratic politicians, with the usual collection of completely irrational conspiratorial nonsense endemic to the far right ecosystem. In other words, of course there was a political motivation.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Paul Pelosi attacker David DePape posted about QAnon conspiracy theories ahead of assault - Washington Examiner

David DePape, the man accused of beating Paul Pelosi over the head with a hammer, appears to have made a number of online posts referencing the QAnon conspiracy theory. DePape, 42, broke into the Pelosi home in San Francisco while House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was in Washington DC. called 911 and...
www.washingtonexaminer.com www.washingtonexaminer.com

Addressing the issue raised here that Republicans are somehow being universally and irrevocably branded as evil. At any given time in our history, one political party or the other may be more guilty of being “in the wrong” on issues, the use of inappropriate rhetoric, etc. Those of us who firmly believe the Republican Party is encouraging hateful rhetoric to be normalized, and who are simply pointing out that the GOP is mainlining groups and ideas that are inimical and dangerous to our democracy should be able to do so without being accused of somehow forgetting we are all human beings, and guilty of accusing everyone on the right as evil. I know I am not demonizing adherents to the MAGA movement. I do believe they are deluded, awash in conspiracism to the point conspiracism is their default thinking mode, but they’re human beings. I have friends in that camp. I feel badly for them, I don’t hate them.

Maybe Thriller goes overboard with his anger. Well, yes, he does. But, I see it as a righteous anger, given the dangers, plainly apparent from history, when democracies trend toward fascism. Of course he’s alarmed. He’s frantic to get his points across because he clearly understands history. And here is one damn good reason why any of us seeing the Republican Party as embracing anti-democratic policies can feel frustrated about the future of democracy in America:


View: https://twitter.com/RSI/status/1586416072751779842


This was before Greene was elected to Congress, but she’s been no better since. The Pelosi attacker was clearly influenced by QAnon, however he interpreted it in his deranged mind, and QAnon has long since entered the Republican mainstream. Maybe some liberals/Democrats have been influenced by it, but they must be few in number. This is coming from a far right ecosystem, and sorry if conservatives object, but it is being mainstreamed by the Republican Party, which is assisting in that party drifting away from, are you ready?….from REALITY! And that is clearly not good for our body politic. The Big Lie embraces a retreat from REALITY! And we should not point this out??!! I will. Every time. It’s why the Republican Party is dangerous right now, and calling them out for it is the right thing to do, not something to be criticized….


Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene repeatedly indicated support for executing prominent Democratic politicians in 2018 and 2019 before being elected to Congress, a CNN KFile review of hundreds of posts and comments from Greene’s Facebook page shows.

Greene, who represents Georgia’s 14th Congressional District, frequently posted far-right extremist and debunked conspiracy theories on her page, including the baseless QAnon conspiracy which casts former President Donald Trump in an imagined battle against a sinister cabal of Democrats and celebrities who abuse children.

In one post, from January 2019, Greene liked a comment that said “a bullet to the head would be quicker” to remove House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. In other posts, Greene liked comments about executing FBI agents who, in her eyes, were part of the “deep state” working against Trump.
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Those of you enamored of whataboutism and bothsidesism, more Liz Cheney’s and less Marge Greene’s would be a good thing to aim for moving forward….




View: https://twitter.com/btrekman1/status/1586340926158704640
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Exactly. And its obvious.


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Red said:
Actually, should it not go without saying, even, that the attacker was mentally disturbed? Of course he was. But, it’s when you look at his postings, his writings, that one sees, that, apart from any other causes of his mental imbalance, he seems very clearly to have immersed himself in a far right ecosystem of hatred of Democratic politicians, with the usual collection of completely irrational conspiratorial nonsense endemic to the far right ecosystem. In other words, of course there was a political motivation.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Paul Pelosi attacker David DePape posted about QAnon conspiracy theories ahead of assault - Washington Examiner

David DePape, the man accused of beating Paul Pelosi over the head with a hammer, appears to have made a number of online posts referencing the QAnon conspiracy theory. DePape, 42, broke into the Pelosi home in San Francisco while House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was in Washington DC. called 911 and...
www.washingtonexaminer.com www.washingtonexaminer.com

Addressing the issue raised here that Republicans are somehow being universally and irrevocably branded as evil. At any given time in our history, one political party or the other may be more guilty of being “in the wrong” on issues, the use of inappropriate rhetoric, etc. Those of us who firmly believe the Republican Party is encouraging hateful rhetoric to be normalized, and who are simply pointing out that the GOP is mainlining groups and ideas that are inimical and dangerous to our democracy should be able to do so without being accused of somehow forgetting we are all human beings, and guilty of accusing everyone on the right as evil. I know I am not demonizing adherents to the MAGA movement. I do believe they are deluded, awash in conspiracism to the point conspiracism is their default thinking mode, but they’re human beings. I have friends in that camp. I feel badly for them, I don’t hate them.

Maybe Thriller goes overboard with his anger. Well, yes, he does. But, I see it as a righteous anger, given the dangers, plainly apparent from history, when democracies trend toward fascism. Of course he’s alarmed. He’s frantic to get his points across because he clearly understands history. And here is one damn good reason why any of us seeing the Republican Party as embracing anti-democratic policies can feel frustrated about the future of democracy in America:


View: https://twitter.com/RSI/status/1586416072751779842


This was before Greene was elected to Congress, but she’s been no better since. The Pelosi attacker was clearly influenced by QAnon, however he interpreted it in his deranged mind, and QAnon has long since entered the Republican mainstream. Maybe some liberals/Democrats have been influenced by it, but they must be few in number. This is coming from a far right ecosystem, and sorry if conservatives object, but it is being mainstreamed by the Republican Party, which is assisting in that party drifting away from, are you ready?….from REALITY! And that is clearly not good for our body politic. The Big Lie embraces a retreat from REALITY! And we should not point this out??!! I will. Every time. It’s why the Republican Party is dangerous right now, and calling them out for it is the right thing to do, not something to be criticized….


Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene repeatedly indicated support for executing prominent Democratic politicians in 2018 and 2019 before being elected to Congress, a CNN KFile review of hundreds of posts and comments from Greene’s Facebook page shows.

Greene, who represents Georgia’s 14th Congressional District, frequently posted far-right extremist and debunked conspiracy theories on her page, including the baseless QAnon conspiracy which casts former President Donald Trump in an imagined battle against a sinister cabal of Democrats and celebrities who abuse children.

In one post, from January 2019, Greene liked a comment that said “a bullet to the head would be quicker” to remove House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. In other posts, Greene liked comments about executing FBI agents who, in her eyes, were part of the “deep state” working against Trump.
——————————————————————————————-
Those of you enamored of whataboutism and bothsidesism, more Liz Cheney’s and less Marge Greene’s would be a good thing to aim for moving forward….




View: https://twitter.com/btrekman1/status/1586340926158704640
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Yep.

Most (all) people who attempt assassinations on political figures are disturbed in certain ways. The key here is what led to their radicalization. Whether we’re talking about Cesar Sayoc and his white van full of bombs he mailed off to Democrats and media members, the disturbed dad who thought a pizza parlor had imprisoned children for Hillary Clinton, or a disturbed and narcissistic reality tv host who claimed he lost an election. By ignoring these forces and actually glorifying them, we only ask for further radicalization and violence.

You just don’t see this same type of rhetoric on the left:

View: https://twitter.com/rpsagainsttrump/status/1586489290040770567?s=46&t=xat5iBt8cJz35DCB6JEfNA


View: https://twitter.com/numbersmuncher/status/1586411418898907138?s=46&t=xat5iBt8cJz35DCB6JEfNA

https://twitter.com/dineshdsouza/status/1586717262957854721?s=46&t=xat5iBt8cJz35DCB6JEfNA
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1586118852747972614?s=46&t=xat5iBt8cJz35DCB6JEfNA
 
Red said:
Addressing the issue raised here that Republicans are somehow being universally and irrevocably branded as evil. ...
Maybe Thriller goes overboard with his anger. Well, yes, he does. But, I see it as a righteous anger
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It is hate-filled bigotry. The mentally ill individual who broke in to the Pelosi's home was a Canadian, living in Berkeley, making hemp jewelry for a living, bought hard into anti-corporation conspiracy theories, and was registered with the Green Party. The title of this thread The Thriller chose is "More Republicans try and kill Democrats". The Thriller doesn't care if there is an actual Republican involved because he viewed it as another opportunity to brand Republicans as evil. And as usual you are justifying it as "righteous". Red, this is the stuff that makes me think as I do about you.
 
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