Could you point to any congress people or media figures who might’ve inspired the attack on Scalise? That would be helpful.
The average Republican believes in the nonsense this guy believes in. You and I can point to dozens of elected Republicans, Republicans campaigning for office, former president, and prime time media Propagandists. One doesn’t have to act on this rhetoric to make it dangerous.
No doubt. I’ve seen it too.
Good postYou need a serious dose of reality. How timely. This evening’s 60 Minutes. A dose of reality that will for sure go right over your head. This is the reality you refuse to acknowledge, you smug clown….
Belief in the Ballot: Republicans in Arizona running on claims of election fraud
Arizona's Republican Attorney General has called denialism a "giant grift," but some Republican nominees still claim the 2020 election was stolen.www.cbsnews.com
It's the vote that holds America together—belief that with a ballot voices are heard, disputes are addressed and there's always another chance. Countries without this belief tend to be in bondage or at war. Election Day is coming, but across America belief is under attack. Politicians who say the 2020 election was stolen are running for governor in 19 states; attorney general in 10; and in 12 states, election deniers are running for secretary of state, which would give them power over elections. After two years of investigations and audits no fraud or error has been found in any state that would change the 2020 outcome. But in 2022, spreading doubt has been key to an endorsement from Donald Trump.
Scott Pelley(speaking to Az. GOP Sec. Of State candidate Mark Finchem): All of these accusations, the case in Yuma—scaremongering. The Brian Watson email—scaremongering. You called Arizona the epicenter of fraud, it's scaremongering. It's not the fraud that is breaking people's faith in our elections, it's people like you.
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And it’s clowns like you, AI-O-Meter. You’re an apologist for where the fault lies. You’re transparent to me.
Don't be dense. The guy who went to the softball game with the intention to kill Republicans and ended up shooting Scalise was a Bernie Sanders campaign staffer.
You're not even addressing my statement. You're saying comments and/or joking about political violence isn't found on the left. I addressed that with your very words of "Perhaps this individual felt it was time for a republican to eat lead?" You're avoiding that by pivoting to an idea that the Scalise attack happened in a vacuum. That's not an argument I've made one way or another, not to say that I wouldn't have an opinion. I addressed your point specifically regarding "you just don’t see this same type of rhetoric on the left," where you then listed peoples' crass response to the news, and compared it to your response which is arguably much, much worse. Most of your responses to me have included generalizations to any and every issue you resent about the right, the vast majority of which I've never opined about on this forum. It doesn't really matter what nuance is discussed, in return I get a litany of grievances you have against your political foes because I appear to be amalgamized with any one or thing to the right of you as all being the same thing.
Meaning you don't have any examples of the type of rhetoric that inspired him.
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I’m not sure what you’re saying in this novel or what kind of gotcha game you’re trying to play. Heated inflammatory rhetoric is wrong. Politician violence and overheated rhetoric is wrong. I don’t even remember the particulars of the Scalise shooting and don’t recall it being politically motivated by heated rhetoric from the left (politicians and/or media members). Since you’ve been sitting on my quote for 5 years, maybe you could remind me of the details about that shooting? It must’ve struck a nerve with you. Far more than anything else we’ve seen since as I don’t recall you going this hard on anybody despite Caesar Sayoc, Charlottesville, multiple shootings, MTG’s election, and Jan 6. If you have evidence to prove that scalise’s shooting was politically motivated and inspired by Democratic politicians and prominent media members, then provide it. Otherwise I think it’s time to end your silly game.
See, I’m not even talking about that. I’m asking if you still stand by your comment about a shooting of “Perhaps this individual felt it was time for a republican to eat lead?" and you’ve avoided it every time. You can continue to put up all the quotes of anyone you want about this situation that you feel is in poor taste, but you continue to respond to a completely separate issue than address your disgusting comment. If you’ve got any comments of mine endorsing, applauding, or joking about political violence, or rationalizing attempted murder as “time for a Republican to eat lead,” then I’d be happy to address anything I’ve said.
Huh? Are you saying that I thought Scalise deserved to be shot? Five years ago I was hypothesizing what may have happened. I didn’t sympathize or condone that violent act. Inflammatory rhetoric and violence is never right.
Could you be a little more precise? Which of those people were discussing "2nd Amendment solutions", referring to Democrats as wild hogs just before shooting a few actual hogs, or showing Republicans with a target on them?
I’m sorry, when did MTG come up? We are talking about Steve Scalise shooter and how he was influenced. I don’t watch Rachel Maddow or left wing shows. Just like I don’t watch right wing shows.
Specifically, what/who influenced him to shoot people.
The shooter was obviously influenced by his parents, friends, teachers, etc. One of the most common indicators of these shooters in being the victim of or perpetrator of domestic violence, as Scalise's shooter had.
I am not aware that The Thriller has a history of domestic violence. I find it unlikely he's going to go out and shoot anyone. I would also say that about you, @silesian , @RandyForRubio , and a whole host of other conservative JazzFanzers (five more off the top of my head, too many to list). While The Thriller is occasionally callous, I don't recall reading one of his posts where he endorsed revolution or violence as the solution. Admittedly, being more liberal, I am perhaps too much in agreement about some of what he says to see signs that you are seeing. I'm not quite sure if you are saying The Thriller is being hypocritical (to some degree, perhaps, but he also points out a very real difference), or if you think he is a danger.
Shooters don't have to be extremist, only very angry and not able to deal with that anger well. I think it's easier to feed the anger of an extremist, because so little of the world resembles what they want, but it's that inability that makes them shooters. I also think that feeding that anger is what makes otherwise-unrelated speakers culpable in the actions of the shooter. Do you rile them up without talking them down? Take that guy outside Kavanaugh's house. If Democratic leaders were talking about using 2nd Amendment solutions to the conservative majority of SCOTUS, he could very well have perpetrated a tragedy instead of turning himself in.
