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One Brow said:
When the reputation process was introduced on this board, I thought I would never bother to use it. You sir, have just earned my very first usage of it. That was a very impressive post. Thank you.
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I feel the same way, Eric. I rarely use the rep button, pro or con. But, before I even seen your post, I give Game a +rep, too. Had I seen your post first....
 
Surely said:
Yeah, maybe that came out wrong. I think what people are talking about on here is the right to do something versus the sensibility of doing it. They certainly have the right to build the mosque. But like it or not, the religion they practice is blamed with killing 3000 people just up the road from where they want to build. Throw in the idea that they build mosques in areas that they have "conquered" and you get a nice controversy going.
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Yup, they need to be more sensible to the fact that we irrationally hate their religion.

-Craig
 
More than anything else I feel that the propsed Mosque is in bad taste. Nothing more, nothing less. If a sect of 19 crazy christians went to foriegn soil and killed over 3,000 people (all of different race, religion, etc) I think that it would be in poor taste for a group of well intentioned Christians to come along 10 years after the fact and try to build any type of Christian house of worship near the site.

Let's be completely honest about the Mosque: There's probably other sites that this building could be put. People are simply pushing the issue because it is their right to build where they wish, which is indeed true, but I'll say it again: Just because something is your right, doesn't always make it a good idea.
 
jazzman12 said:
More than anything else I feel that the propsed Mosque is in bad taste. Nothing more, nothing less. If a sect of 19 crazy christians went to foriegn soil and killed over 3,000 people (all of different race, religion, etc) I think that it would be in poor taste for a group of well intentioned Christians to come along 10 years after the fact and try to build any type of Christian house of worship near the site.

Let's be completely honest about the Mosque: There's probably other sites that this building could be put. People are simply pushing the issue because it is their right to build where they wish, which is indeed true, but I'll say it again: Just because something is your right, doesn't always make it a good idea.
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I asked this question before: How far away is far enough?
 
Isn't it funny how a strip club can be placed just as close if not closer and there's no outrage. Yet, a cultural/religious center cannot be constructed without protest and outrage.

So apparently people are more tolerant of porn than religion.
Apparently people find using naked women more acceptable than prayer or social integration.
Apparently it's more patriotic to have a strip club near ground zero than a cultural center.

Funny.

Here's some more food for thought:

https://www.hannity.com/show/2010/08/17
In much of the coverage by the mainstream Obama-mania media, Islam and Muslims have been portrayed as the victims in the heated debate about the mosque’s construction. “The victims are the three thousand people that were slaughtered on 9/11 in that unprovoked attack. Not an attack that we were an accessory to, as the Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf suggests. The families were the victims. It’s not Islam that is the victim here,” said Sean.

The Tolerant Pose
Sean mentioned an article appearing in today’s NationalReviewOnline.com { Article} in which the author, Andrew McCarthy raises several questions about intolerance within the Islamic faith. McCarthy explains how intolerance isn’t just a part of Al-Qaeda, but is a part of Islam as well. McCarthy writes, “Non-Muslims are barred from entering the cities of Mecca and Medina — not merely barred from building synagogues or churches, but barred, period, because their infidel feet are deemed unfit to touch the ground. This is not an al-Qaeda principle. Nor is it an “Islamist” principle. It is Islam, pure and simple.” McCarthy continues, “Saudi Arabia does not have any law but sharia. Non-Muslims are discriminated against in the kingdom, not because that’s how the Saudis want it. They are discriminated against because that is how the Koran says it must be.” The article argues that there are Muslims who want to change this, those who want to evolve their faith into the light of ecumenical tolerance, Muslims who crave true religious liberty and reject sharia’s repression. McCarthy concludes that if Obama actually had an “unshakable” commitment to religious freedom — he would help those Muslims who reject sharia law.
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The Thriller said:
Isn't it funny how a strip club can be placed just as close if not closer and there's no outrage. Yet, a cultural/religious center cannot be constructed without protest and outrage.

So apparently people are more tolerant of porn than religion.
Apparently people find using naked women more acceptable than prayer or social integration.
Apparently it's more patriotic to have a strip club near ground zero than a cultural center.

Funny.

Here's some more food for thought:

https://www.hannity.com/show/2010/08/17
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"Using" naked women? Don't be queer.
 
There's a McDonald's, Burger King and Adult peep show (among other things) all within the same distance from ground zero that the proposed mosque would be. Hallowed ground indeed.
 
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“Saudi Arabia does not have any law but sharia. Non-Muslims are discriminated against in the kingdom, not because that’s how the Saudis want it. They are discriminated against because that is how the Koran says it must be.”
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Are trhey saying we need to be more intolerant, like Saudi Arabia? I don't see how this relates at all to a mosque being in NYC.

McCarthy concludes that if Obama actually had an “unshakable” commitment to religious freedom — he would help those Muslims who reject sharia law.
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So, McCarthy thinks President Obama should get involved in a religious movement to help Muslims? It's just strange.
 
KM32MVP said:
There's a McDonald's, Burger King and Adult peep show (among other things) all within the same distance from ground zero that the proposed mosque would be. Hallowed ground indeed.
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Exactly.

Are trhey saying we need to be more intolerant, like Saudi Arabia? I don't see how this relates at all to a mosque being in NYC.
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One Brow, you completely missed the boat on this. Don't you know that Saudi Arabia has declared in their Constitution freedom of religion? Don't you know that SA is trying to be known as the Beacon of Freedom to the world?

I also enjoyed this letter to the editor.... I see that the writer was only 16 so maybe he deserves a little more patience...

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/700057567/Tactless-to-build-mosque.html

Imagine that on Sept. 11, 2001, a group of crazy fundamentalist Christians bombed a tower in the Middle East — let's say, Iran. Hundreds or even thousands of lives were lost, including both people who worked in the tower and emergency responders. Now, nine years later, would anybody even consider building a Catholic cathedral, a Baptist church, or an LDS meetinghouse two blocks away from the site of that tragedy?
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LOL.... Apples to apples... Now we're using Iran as a comparison to justify our positions. Awesome.

So, McCarthy thinks President Obama should get involved in a religious movement to help Muslims? It's just strange.
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Aren't those who reject the Sharia law just considered apostates? Wouldn't it basically be like a Christian rejecting the 10 commandments? Why should Obama be involved in any of this? Doesn't he have a country to run? An economy to save?
 
One Brow said:
Are the people who stop being LDS to join the Jehovah's Witnesses apostates, or is it the Jehovah's Witnesses who beome LDS that are apostate?
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Here a short video that should answer all your questions

[video]https://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=2373188
 
KM32MVP said:
There's a McDonald's, Burger King and Adult peep show (among other things) all within the same distance from ground zero that the proposed mosque would be. Hallowed ground indeed.
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Nope. I have the same view as Obama on this "issue" and think the war on terror is a bunch of bunk. The Occult worshipers that make up a large portion of our "leaders" are much more worrisome than any Muslims.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
So they don't care about the contents of Qur'an?
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Like any other religion, people interpret the Koran (and lesser docuemnts) differently. Sharia law, which is teh interpretation of the commands of Allah, will vary widely from Muslim to Muslim. The common elements are basically the Five Pillars, a version of the Ten Commandments, and a handful of prohibitions.
 
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