DutchJazzer
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In general any candidate that has any sort of authoritarian and/or theocratic streak is a no-go for me.
so no left wingers for yhou then?
fasicsm, nazism, communism, socialism all authoritarian and LEFT WING!
In general any candidate that has any sort of authoritarian and/or theocratic streak is a no-go for me.
I have a picture of me wearing a military uniform but I was never in the military.I don't care that he is a Muslim at all. My brother is a Muslim but how do you explain the pictures?
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islam on the other hand has convert or DIE!
Just giving you a hard time for a silly comment, no hard feelings.
Ya, you got more than you deserved for that I think.
so no left wingers for yhou then?
fasicsm, nazism, communism, socialism all authoritarian and LEFT WING!
Ya, you got more than you deserved for that I think.
I'm sorry for my post fwiw
No worries. I never understood why it was such a big deal anyways. Who cares if he is a Muslim.
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To me one of the main functions of government is to protect minority groups. The majority and/or groups in power dont need help with their interests.
It's a corner stone of liberal democracies. An essential element of good government
That is a false dichotomy. It is like saying "all men are created equal, but some should be made more equal than others". By definition a democratic republic will end up with mostly representatives that reflect the majority view, unless you legislate that minority views are somehow worth more than the majority view to make things "equal". I agree that minorities need to have representation that can help protect their interests, but not at the expense of anyone else's interests. But therein lies the rub, especially with groups with conflicting interests (religious/atheist for example).
That's what constitutions and bills of rights are for. They set up inalienable rights that every individual has and the state defends those rights, those don't depend on the majority and the majority is not allowed to touch those(usually). And from there on majority rules... usually... kind of*... as long as they don't step on those basic human rights. If they do, the state needs to act to defend those rights and seek remedies to the situation.
*the asterisk is there because even though in theory majority rules, there might be influences that overtake the political process in a country(oligarchies or lobbyists pushing and succeeding to enact policies that go against the will of the majority but are in favor of certain influential minority).
That is a false dichotomy. It is like saying "all men are created equal, but some should be made more equal than others". By definition a democratic republic will end up with mostly representatives that reflect the majority view, unless you legislate that minority views are somehow worth more than the majority view to make things "equal". I agree that minorities need to have representation that can help protect their interests, but not at the expense of anyone else's interests. But therein lies the rub, especially with groups with conflicting interests (religious/atheist for example).
I am not religious, and I mostly do not care what someone's religion is when deciding to vote for them. However, I will not vote for someone whose ideas of "religious freedom" differs vastly from my own. Anyone who believes that they can discriminate against another person because of their religious beliefs will not be getting my vote. Religious freedom to me means being able to worship and believe and live in whatever fashion you choose as long as it does not harm others. If a candidate believes that all should live as that individual believes, and wants to make laws consistent with that belief, that's when they have crossed the line.
I figured why not combine two hot topics that get everybody heated, generate some real uproar. But seriously, I'd like this to be a discussion without reading insults, of which I am guilty. Basically, act like Siro and Colton, not like Dutch and Thriller.
A lot of people here are religious, some are not at all. I think this applies to any and all groups, whether a fundamentalist or a loose rules kind of person.
Are we ok with people whom we have theological differences with, having rule and dominion politically over us? As in, as a fundamental Christian, am I ok with having a Muslim as my senator? Or an atheist as my president? And same goes the other way. Would somebody's belief system, and solely their belief system, impair you from voting for them?
I ask partially because of Bernie essentially saying that a fundamental Christian should not be approved because of his religious beliefs, but more from a principal standpoint on where we should stand on this. At what points are a persons beliefs too extreme for office? I would really prefer to avoid the typical Dem/Con hissy fits that happen here (that I am guilty of), and just talk about the principals. And I don't want to make this about Bernie either. His reaction just made me think about this topic, and I figured it would make for a good discussion.
I hate trump. Have no idea what religion he is or if he is even religious. (Anyone know?)
LOL. No. Aside from the innate human capacities for empathy, justice, or what have you, there is nothing that we must inherently agree upon. And that includes what you call personal choice.
In the example of abortion, if someone agrees that murder is wrong, and they view a fetus as a human, then killing the fetus is murder, and thus wrong. There is nothing "unreasonable" about it.
I have had religious conversations with 100s of different types of religious people. I have talked to many Muslim people. Not once has this been the approach that a Muslim person has taken with me. Christians have by far been the most aggressive with me but none of them have threatened violence or death towards me. Just the usual fire and brimstone talk and the whole corrupting my family and friends guilt talk.
Oh wait I forgot @<a href="https://jazzfanz.com/member.php?u=848" target="_blank">dalamon</a> definitely did threaten to kill me if I didnt convert when he was in Utah. But he is the exception. Or was he just nice and talked about his religious views in a peaceful manor explaining why he was Muslim, I cant remember which one. It was definitely one of those two though.