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The Missing Piece

My gut says DL drafted those two studs (Gobert & Mitchell), and that he might have to pull another rabbit out of his hat this time either through the draft, or by magically getting one of those proven stars to stop here.
 
Jazz Spazz said:
I remember someone posting an article about knee injuries being tied to how NBA players run the court. Those that land on their heels are much more prone to knee injuries due to the constant heavier impact, but those that run on their toes get less of those injuries as the impact is lessened enough to keep them healthy. There were some examples, and Jabari was used as an example of running on the heels, thus the injuries. I don't know how true it is, but it was compelling. I've been leery of him since reading that because no matter how good someone is, if there is a high likelihood of injury how good they are doesn't matter.
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It's not only that but he tore already repaired ACL in the same knee - that to me is the biggest red flag. Typically ACL grafts are twice as strong as original ACL's and re-injury usually ( not 100% but close to 80-90% of the cases) happens because of botched surgery ( too wide of the tunnels or them being drilled in wrong anatomical positions.) Not saying I know exactly what happened with Jabari's first surgery, but this scares the hell out for me.
 
idestroyedthetoilet said:
Go read the definition of moot and start using it correctly (not as mute point) and you'll cheer up.
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moot point:
  1. open to discussion or debate; debatable; doubtful: Whether that was the cause of their troubles is a moot point.
  2. of little or no practical value, meaning, or relevance; purely academic:

moot:
  1. subject to debate, dispute, or uncertainty, and typically not admitting of a final decision.
    "whether the temperature rise was mainly due to the greenhouse effect was a moot point"
    synonyms: debatable, open to discussion/question, arguable, questionable, at issue, open to doubt, disputable, controversial, contentious, disputed, unresolved, unsettled, up in the air
    "a moot point"



At least one of us learned what the correct definition is though, right?
 
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Sounds like Klay Thompson will sign an extension this offseason... I'd expect Jimmy Butler to do the same... Kawhi may also do the same. If Tobias and Khris sign extensions (I don't think Milwaukee can get the # high enough for it to make sense for Khris) then our 2019 cap space is not super valuable.
 
Another thing I heard on the ESPN podcast was Windhorst talking about getting the financials for the NBA teams... specifically mentioned the Jazz net number of like 35ish M in profit last year. I think he said it was like top ten in the league.

So as a small market we make money... we've been very responsible last 7 years or so and I expect us to spend what it takes to build a winner when the time comes. I don't want to hear us whining about us being a small market and not being able to do things like take on bad money, buy picks, etc. Based on when the Millers bought the Jazz (some of these new owners are highly leveraged because of their purchase price) and the success we've had financially the last few years the money is there.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Sounds like Klay Thompson will sign an extension this offseason... I'd expect Jimmy Butler to do the same... Kawhi may also do the same. If Tobias and Khris sign extensions (I don't think Milwaukee can get the # high enough for it to make sense for Khris) then our 2019 cap space is not super valuable.
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This is part of why I'm more interested in making a push now (but am not abandoning 2019 because of Middleton, Harris, Mirotic).
 
NUMBERICA said:
This is part of why I'm more interested in making a push now (but am not abandoning 2019 because of Middleton, Harris, Mirotic).
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I think we definitely poke around and look for a good deal. If we could get a meeting with Aaron Gordon and see if he can leverage a sign and trade that feels like the best match of both a guy that is possible, fits the timeline, and has some untapped upside.

Orlando would have to be worried that he will sign a 3+1 with a different team and include all the poisonous aspects that Otto Porter did. That contract is still tradeable, but won't net a lot because only two years left and it is over market. At that point they may settle for a first and short contracts. It has too many moving parts to really work, but the threat may be enough for them to say let's just work a sign and trade and get what we can.
 
r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t said:
Doesn't seem so risky to me. He's already put up 4 straight seasons of 15+ PER basketball. He may not be "the guy", but no way is he going to flop either.
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Having a PER of 15 literally is league average. Not sure how that's a selling point.

The "crushing blow" is what it takes to get him (roster changes, loss of picks) and how much money he'd cost if he gets you net production that is slightly better than average.

PER also does a pathetic job of measuring defensive impact which is central to this whole discussion.
 
r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t said:
Doesn't seem so risky to me. He's already put up 4 straight seasons of 15+ PER basketball. He may not be "the guy", but no way is he going to flop either.
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He's missed two of those seasons, PER doesn't talk about defense and is a really overrated stat. Enes Kanter has a PER around 24 for the last few years and no one would want him back or talks about him as the missing piece.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Having a PER of 15 literally is league average. Not sure how that's a selling point.

The "crushing blow" is what it takes to get him (roster changes, loss of picks) and how much money he'd cost if he gets you net production that is slightly better than average.
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If it is Favs in a sign and trade for Jabari and the contract is in the 12-15M range for 3 years I'm down... 4 years I'm worried. The issue is I think he gets more than that (maybe much more... Sacramento sitting out there and could get to a spot where they have money). One knee injury and he is untradeable.
 
Like if we are taking a risk on a guy I want there to be upside. Tyreke on a MLE type deal could be a huge get if last season's production is real. Jabari gets somewhere in between 15-20M per year and at best will live up to that contract... at worst he is a millstone.
 
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