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But i don't see anything that he won't be able to improve in time, thats why i am so high on him. He is as talented as big al, plus he has good fundamentals unlike big al.

What part of basketball fundamentals Kanter knows better then big AL? Shooting? Maybe three point range is better.... one on one defense or help defense? no way... low post? - Big AL probably has best low post game in NBA ( maybe P.Gasol could come close )...spacing? passing? rebounding? What you have in mind?
Biggest problem with Kanter is his lack of athletism and explosiveness - work as hard as you can if you do not have it you won't be able to improve a lot.
 
I think we should trade him, latest next year, even if Kanter and Favors suck. Because i would prefer to get stuck to undersized, underpaid Millsap, rather than getting stuck to overpaid, flawed Jefferson.

So you'd rather trade a proven 20 10 guy, even knowing his replacements suck, because of your spite for his over-played flaws?

you seem to be stuck on his price tag, when 1) we won't be in financial trouble this year, and 2) for the immediate future I highly doubt we resemble anything of a major player in free agency, especially without having to overpay for a big man to entice them here, which is your big issue with al in the first place...

Let the man make his money, put up his 20 and 10, and root for him to grow his game personally and for the team. 27 is still young, and if he improves even slightly, he is a unique asset for this team. A stud who actually wants to be here, works the PR, has been busting *** to improve himself, and doesn't start any drama.

I would never trade Jefferson if I knew his replacements sucked ***... What good does that do the team?
 
What part of basketball fundamentals Kanter knows better then big AL? Shooting? Maybe three point range is better.... one on one defense or help defense? no way... low post? - Big AL probably has best low post game in NBA ( maybe P.Gasol could come close )...spacing? passing? rebounding? What you have in mind?
Biggest problem with Kanter is his lack of athletism and explosiveness - work as hard as you can if you do not have it you won't be able to improve a lot.

Even right now, he is much better defender overall, better one on one defense, help defense is not so good but still better than Big Al, in low post offense, he has to improve a bit. Memo has lack of athletism and explosiveness not Kanter, it is obvious you didn't watch him well, Kanter isn't Griffin but he has decent explosiveness.
Spacing, passing and rebounding, he is better than Big al.

Big Al is only stronger, more experienced, more confident , and maybe a bit better in the low post , he doesn't have anything else superior to Kanter. Especially not the areas that u mentioned above
 
Even right now, he is much better defender overall, better one on one defense, help defense is not so good but still better than Big Al, in low post offense, he has to improve a bit. Memo has lack of athletism and explosiveness not Kanter, it is obvious you didn't watch him well, Kanter isn't Griffin but he has decent explosiveness.
Spacing, passing and rebounding, he is better than Big al.

Big Al is only stronger, more experienced, more confident , and maybe a bit better in the low post , he doesn't have anything else superior to Kanter. Especially not the areas that u mentioned above

I have been excited by the Kanter-pick since the draft, but the way this dude keeps hating on our vets and praising the untested kid I find myself starting to dislike the kid. Give it a rest, please!
 
So you'd rather trade a proven 20 10 guy, even knowing his replacements suck, because of your spite for his over-played flaws?

you seem to be stuck on his price tag, when 1) we won't be in financial trouble this year, and 2) for the immediate future I highly doubt we resemble anything of a major player in free agency, especially without having to overpay for a big man to entice them here, which is your big issue with al in the first place...

Let the man make his money, put up his 20 and 10, and root for him to grow his game personally and for the team. 27 is still young, and if he improves even slightly, he is a unique asset for this team. A stud who actually wants to be here, works the PR, has been busting *** to improve himself, and doesn't start any drama.

I would never trade Jefferson if I knew his replacements sucked ***... What good does that do the team?

It depends on your viewpoint, if you wanna be a team like we were in the last 5 years, then go ahead, keep Jefferson, so we will keep being an average playoff team with him. Imo he is like a less disastorous defender and slightly better offensive player than Boozer who has much worse mid range shoot. He literally doesn't bring anything to a team to improve to contender level. He will never be a player like that. Such players like Boozer, Big Al, Lewis, they are overpaid and they don't bring the team even half of what they are paid for. And since they are overpaid, you can't bring some important players to the team to compensate them. Thats why they can never be on a contender team, unless they are at the age of 35, coming off the bench and getting 5 million per year.

Also the fact that we don't have financial problem this year doesn't mean we won't have it in 2 years. It is obvious we aren't gonna be able to keep same group of players 3 years from now. And Big Al will probably be the one who will be expanded. There is a tiny little chance that Kanter will suck, Favors will be just a decent starter, so that we will still need Big Al, and continue being a fragile playoff team. But just for that little tiny chance, why wouldn't i expand Big Al now if i get a favorable deal in return ?
Start Millsap and Favors, bring Kanter and Memo from the bench, thats good enough backcourt for our calibre team right now. Another problem we have is, we don't have a legit pg to lead the team and we dont have a SF at all if AK leaves. These things may be considered for next year's draft. But we can fill these spots in return of Big al deal too.

I don't expect any success this year, so i don't really mind if we are not gonna make playoffs at all. However looking at the future years, maybe some people will laugh but Kanter will be the key player to determine how far this team will go. Hayward and Favors are other core members but their potential are more or less clear. They will be very good starters who will help the team and maybe allstars if things go well, but no one knows how good Kanter can be yet. If he can be as good as i believe, this team can go much further than we did in the last 5 years, if he can't be as good as even Boozer, then we will probably be the same things as we were in the recent year.
 
I have been excited by the Kanter-pick since the draft, but the way this dude keeps hating on our vets and praising the untested kid I find myself starting to dislike the kid. Give it a rest, please!

Well i wouldn't call that hating but after seeing bunch of people treating Big Al like Shaq, i lose the last drops of love i have for Big Al already. But who else do i hate among YOUR vets (like you own the vets, they are my vets too), i really wonder?
 
Literally no one here treats AL like Shaq. Maybe your lack of English is making you translate things incorrectly?
 
Even right now, he is much better defender overall, better one on one defense, help defense is not so good but still better than Big Al, in low post offense, he has to improve a bit. Memo has lack of athletism and explosiveness not Kanter, it is obvious you didn't watch him well, Kanter isn't Griffin but he has decent explosiveness.
Spacing, passing and rebounding, he is better than Big al.

Big Al is only stronger, more experienced, more confident , and maybe a bit better in the low post , he doesn't have anything else superior to Kanter. Especially not the areas that u mentioned above

How do you know he is a much better defender? Has Kanter played in the NBA yet? Big Al is a decent one-on-one defender because his size. And Big Al' just maybe a bit better in the low post? Come on, don't kid yourself.

You're crazy if you think that our future relies on Kanter. Anybody would tell you that's on Favors. Since it would be crazy for ALL of our recent draft picks to pan out, I would guess Kanter is the most likely to be the bust. If Favors, Burks, and Hayward pan out, we will have a crazy good team.
 
Even right now, he is much better defender overall, better one on one defense, help defense is not so good but still better than Big Al, in low post offense, he has to improve a bit. Memo has lack of athletism and explosiveness not Kanter, it is obvious you didn't watch him well, Kanter isn't Griffin but he has decent explosiveness.
Spacing, passing and rebounding, he is better than Big al.

Big Al is only stronger, more experienced, more confident , and maybe a bit better in the low post , he doesn't have anything else superior to Kanter. Especially not the areas that u mentioned above

Well we obviously watched different players. Kanter's individual defense was nothing special even vs European players and his help defense was actually atrocious. Spacing was poor, passing non existent and rebounding was decent vs weak teams ( Portugal and Poland ) but he disappeared vs contenders with decent big men. Just wait few more weeks to see how he will look vs NBA talent before declaring him much better defender then big AL ok?.
To say best NBA low post player is maybe a bit better then Kanter at this point is ridiculous. Just let it go man... we know you like Kanter and it is patriotic love for your countryman, but give him at least couple years in NBA to better see his flaws and have better idea if he is ever going to be close to Big AL's level.
 
Well we obviously watched different players. Kanter's individual defense was nothing special even vs European players and his help defense was actually atrocious. Spacing was poor, passing non existent and rebounding was decent vs weak teams ( Portugal and Poland ) but he disappeared vs contenders with decent big men. Just wait few more weeks to see how he will look vs NBA talent before declaring him much better defender then big AL ok?.
To say best NBA low post player is maybe a bit better then Kanter at this point is ridiculous. Just let it go man... we know you like Kanter and it is patriotic love for your countryman, but give him at least couple years in NBA to better see his flaws and have better idea if he is ever going to be close to Big AL's level.

Repped - when you take the AK homer glasses off you make some solid points.
 
Even right now, he is much better defender overall, better one on one defense, help defense is not so good but still better than Big Al, in low post offense, he has to improve a bit. Memo has lack of athletism and explosiveness not Kanter, it is obvious you didn't watch him well, Kanter isn't Griffin but he has decent explosiveness.
Spacing, passing and rebounding, he is better than Big al.

Big Al is only stronger, more experienced, more confident , and maybe a bit better in the low post , he doesn't have anything else superior to Kanter. Especially not the areas that u mentioned above

If what they did before the NBA had that much influence then Hayward was one of the worst 3 pt shooters last season, right? Since his 3 pt % slipped in college?

Oh wait, he was one of the TOP 3 pt shooters last season in the NBA. Hmmm, maybe what they did before doesn't matter as much as what they do in the NBA.

Olowokandi should have been dominant, based on what he did before the NBA, right? How did that work out? Or Oden. Portland should have traded away Aldridge as soon as they signed Oden right? Since Oden has been so dominant?

Also, the body of work to observe for Kanter is very limited and against competition in lots of ways worse than college level. The body of work for AJ is right in front of us, and we have no reson to think he won't be in top form this season. Last season was bizarre by any measure, and he still performed well in a team that blew up mid-way through the season. He didn't get caught up in the crap and played solid ball. There are few centers in the league right now that can do what AJ can do, and has done. As was stated, not one single center last season averaged 21 pts, 11 reb, 2 asts, 2 blks, 1 steal, but only a couple of seasons ago AJ did just about exactly that.

I like our rookies too. I think they can be something pretty good. But when you have someone who can already perform as AJ can, and it isn't breaking the bank or locking you down long-term, to me it is a no-brainer to hold onto the guy, especially when he can be a leader for the bigs to help in their development.
 
Well we obviously watched different players. Kanter's individual defense was nothing special even vs European players and his help defense was actually atrocious. Spacing was poor, passing non existent and rebounding was decent vs weak teams ( Portugal and Poland ) but he disappeared vs contenders with decent big men. Just wait few more weeks to see how he will look vs NBA talent before declaring him much better defender then big AL ok?.
To say best NBA low post player is maybe a bit better then Kanter at this point is ridiculous. Just let it go man... we know you like Kanter and it is patriotic love for your countryman, but give him at least couple years in NBA to better see his flaws and have better idea if he is ever going to be close to Big AL's level.

Repped - when you take the AK homer glasses off you make some solid points.

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AKMVP said it perfectly.

And so did FIMH.
 
What part of basketball fundamentals Kanter knows better then big AL? Shooting? Maybe three point range is better.... one on one defense or help defense? no way... low post? - Big AL probably has best low post game in NBA ( maybe P.Gasol could come close )...spacing? passing? rebounding? What you have in mind?
Biggest problem with Kanter is his lack of athletism and explosiveness - work as hard as you can if you do not have it you won't be able to improve a lot.
The problem people that are paying attention have with Al is that his feet are as slow as molasses and his brain is slower than molasses in the freezer. To answer that charge, the homers say 'BUT COME ON HE'S STILL YOUNG OKAY!' and forget that he hasn't improved at anything in 5 years and has been in the league 7 years.

Kanter went from a poor rotation to Turkey's best player by a mile in about two weeks. Ten times the defender (shows some kind of team awareness and moves his feet), can catch a ball while moving, isn't allergic to contact and got to the line, gets out in transition, and even showed that he could be a passer if he had a little time to learn where people would be. In a matter of WEEKS.

Kanter vs. Jefferson isn't the point of my post. My point is that Jefferson hasn't shown an ability to play winning basketball in 7 years. Maybe he changes that, but I don't know why - suddenly - after 7 ****ing years he's just to become Tim Duncan.
 
To assume Al is going to suddenly be a productive winner after this amount of time is to assume that Miles becomes a 15ppg on 10 shots player. All of a sudden. After all, HE IS STILL SO YOUNG OKAY
 
Kanter went from a poor rotation to Turkey's best player by a mile in about two weeks. Ten times the defender (shows some kind of team awareness and moves his feet), can catch a ball while moving, isn't allergic to contact and got to the line, gets out in transition, and even showed that he could be a passer if he had a little time to learn where people would be. In a matter of WEEKS.

again, I disagree about Kanter's defense. Positional defense was acceptable where he could use his strength and size but rotational and help defense was horrible. He will get killed in NBA until he learns how to read the game and rotate properly. The other things you mentioned big AL does well on daily basis vs NBA's best while Kanter still struggled to do it vs Europ's best. And those slow feet and slow brain somehow did not prevent big AL from being one of the top shot blockers in NBA. Don't even start about passing, Kanter had what like 4 assists total in all Eurochampionship?
 
The problem people that are paying attention have with Al is that his feet are as slow as molasses and his brain is slower than molasses in the freezer. To answer that charge, the homers say 'BUT COME ON HE'S STILL YOUNG OKAY!' and forget that he hasn't improved at anything in 5 years and has been in the league 7 years.

Kanter went from a poor rotation to Turkey's best player by a mile in about two weeks. Ten times the defender (shows some kind of team awareness and moves his feet), can catch a ball while moving, isn't allergic to contact and got to the line, gets out in transition, and even showed that he could be a passer if he had a little time to learn where people would be. In a matter of WEEKS.

Kanter vs. Jefferson isn't the point of my post. My point is that Jefferson hasn't shown an ability to play winning basketball in 7 years. Maybe he changes that, but I don't know why - suddenly - after 7 ****ing years he's just to become Tim Duncan.

To be fair he was on the Timberwolves with KAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHN and their rotation of terrible coaches. Then he comes to Utah and the best player and the coach are at odds with each other. He really hasn't been in an ideal situation yet. This is why I'm willing to give him another year before I give up on him, label him a perennial loser.
 
Passing the ball to improve your teams ability to score and running are not exactly advanced concepts in basketball. No coach in the NBA sucks that bad.
 
After looking at the schedule I take back my prediction of Jefferson getting traded. I don't think the front office will have time to trade anybody once the season starts. The games are packed in to tight. I think the roster will be set for the year before the 1st game.
 
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