More death threats -- Woman take video of her walk through New York

[moevillini]

I neither claim to be the center of the universe nor expect random strangers to take time "to exchange strokes with me". That said, if I'm out in public and someone politely says "hi" or "good morning" to me, and I choose to fly off the handle, the fault is mine. I'm also not willing to excuse myself for ignoring panhandlers or those selling **** on the street because these people are also part of my community, and deserve to be recognized as such.

In a public space, I expect to encounter other people. Sometimes they're friendly and helpful, other times they're rude and hinder me in my daily tasks. Still, they deserve my recognition and respect. I think fostering an open, friendly, communicative society is a good thing. In doing so, we are more protected from harmful anti-social behavior and people. That you think otherwise reflects incredibly poorly on you, and I'd advise you to stay the **** away from any city where I live.

this from a (formerly?) self-described hermit!


But I pretty much agree, though I do agree to some degree (time to rhyme?) with One Brow to the degree that non-verbal clues are usually part of the interaction. Much of the time eye-contact is made, even if very fleeting, before I extend any sort of greeting, but definitely not always.

Very few people will completely ignore a greeting and while I've occasionally gotten a surprised or startled response from an "unsolicited" greeting, I've never had anyone react in a hostile manner.

I walk early every morning and often see the same people daily, many on their way to the train, and brief greetings are usually exchanged. There is one man we see almost everyday, and have for about 5 years now. We generally smile and say "Good Morning" to him and he pretty much always just stares stonily ahead.

Not sure what to call it but he definitely seems anti-social and not quite normal.

 

[moevillini]

classic!

(Driver cuts in front of Jerry)
Jerry: Oh look at this guy.

Elaine: What's goin' on?

Jerry: Oh there's a guy trying to get in front of me, he has to ask
permission. Yes. Go ahead. Get in, get in.

Elaine: Did you get a thank you wave?

Jerry: No, nothing. How could you not give a thank you wave? Hey buddy!
Where's my thank you wave?

 

[Nightmare]

I am happy people like Siro and One Brow didn't live 50 years ago. They would have been among the mob that murdered Emmett Till for wolf whistling Carolyn Byrant.

 

[moevillini]

...Again, the best word I can think of for describing the attitude that, when you decide to talk to someone, there is no way it could possibly be a burden to them of any degree, is "entitled".

white privilege would probably work just as well


/sarcasm

 

[moevillini]

it just needs some steam wafting off the top

 

[VINYLONE]

Most of the rest of us are defending our right to look at boobs.

Eric, is this true? If it is, what the **** is wrong with you?

 

[One Brow]

You reap what you sew.

So, back to this, a little more seriously.

Sine you bolded the part about feeling guilty just for being alive, I'll be clear: I've experienced every advantage that you and LogGrad98 have in their, and I don't feel guilty about it, because I didn't ask for it. However, I try to remember that when I'm dealing with other people who, for reasons they had no control over, didn't get those same breaks. I also make the effort to look at the little messages in our culture that encouraged people to give me these breaks, and expose them for the lies that they are.

 

[One Brow]

Eric, is this true? If it is, what the **** is wrong with you?

So many things are wrong with me. However, as that was presented, it's not true.

 

[One Brow]

Not sure what to call it but he definitely seems anti-social and not quite normal.

Does the length of time involved matter?

Let's say that, socially, the chess group thinks you should start playing chess with us in the Chess Match Thread. Maybe I leave you a reminder everyday we haven't seen you there, LogGrad98 makes a nice comment about how you would make the thread more interesting, Jonah says it would be a great way to learn more about you, babe thinks it could help you both sharpen your thinking, and Enes Can Tear You Apart is just looking for another. So, every day, we all post friendly little reminders that you should be joining us. If you don't, you're just being anti-social.

I think you would reject that, saying we have no right to impose upon your time. You would be correct, in my estimation. The problem would not be that you refused to play, nor even that we invited you, but that we felt entitled to have you play and created a negative consequence at your refusal. I don't see why, because the interaction you are asking of 5-years-of-silence-man is for a briefer duration, that changes inappropriateness from the person seeking a response to the person not inclined to give one.

 

[VINYLONE]

So many things are wrong with me. However, as that was presented, it's not true.

So you support my right to look at breasts when they're walking by and I have some classic Ray-bans on? Please advise.

 

[fishonjazz]

So you support my right to look at breasts when they're walking by and I have some classic Ray-bans on? Please advise.

As long as you feel guilty about it

 

[One Brow]

So you support my right to look at breasts when they're walking by and I have some classic Ray-bans on? Please advise.

Your right to do so? Absolutely. My whole point has been about considering your effects on others, not what you have a right to do.

As long as you feel guilty about it

If you're such a dolt that you can't cast a glance without making people uncomfortable...

 

[Gameface]

Your right to do so? Absolutely. My whole point has been about considering your effects on others, not what you have a right to do.

I think GVC covered it pretty well already, but...

When out in public places it should be expected that you'll encounter varying degrees of intelligent life, and that on occasion those intelligent life-forms might attempt to make contact. It is each person's prerogative how they will respond to these efforts, but regardless, we should all put on our big boy and big girl pants and be prepared to deal with it.

 

[Stoked]

I think GVC covered it pretty well already, but...

When out in public places it should be expected that you'll encounter varying degrees of intelligent life, and that on occasion those intelligent life-forms might attempt to make contact. It is each person's prerogative how they will respond to these efforts, but regardless, we should all put on our big boy and big girl pants and be prepared to deal with it.

No!!! Women are mentally and physically fragile and need us men to protect them. So keep your lecherous tongue, hands and eyes off/away from them!!!!

 

[moevillini]

Does the length of time involved matter?

Let's say that, socially, the chess group thinks you should start playing chess with us in the Chess Match Thread. Maybe I leave you a reminder everyday we haven't seen you there, LogGrad98 makes a nice comment about how you would make the thread more interesting, Jonah says it would be a great way to learn more about you, babe thinks it could help you both sharpen your thinking, and Enes Can Tear You Apart is just looking for another. So, every day, we all post friendly little reminders that you should be joining us. If you don't, you're just being anti-social.

I think you would reject that, saying we have no right to impose upon your time. You would be correct, in my estimation. The problem would not be that you refused to play, nor even that we invited you, but that we felt entitled to have you play and created a negative consequence at your refusal. I don't see why, because the interaction you are asking of 5-years-of-silence-man is for a briefer duration, that changes inappropriateness from the person seeking a response to the person not inclined to give one.

First of all, complete apples to oranges. Why does it seem to be an equivalent situation to you?

Secondly, you certainly can do what you want to encourage me to join you, and I am free to ignore you completely, decline the invitation, or join you. And you are free to interpret my response however you choose. Why do you think you would feel entitled to have me play? And why do you think I would concern myself with your reaction to my response?

In the situation I described, I expected a response. Why do you think I would feel entitled to a response? Expecting something to happen is NOT the same as thinking I am entitled to have it happen.

If I throw a ball up in the air, I expect it to come down. That does not mean I feel entitled to have it come down. If you think that it does, then your definition of "entitled" is very different from mine.

 

[fishonjazz]

I think GVC covered it pretty well already, but...

When out in public places it should be expected that you'll encounter varying degrees of intelligent life, and that on occasion those intelligent life-forms might attempt to make contact. It is each person's prerogative how they will respond to these efforts, but regardless, we should all put on our big boy and big girl pants and be prepared to deal with it.

 

[freakazoid]

tbh it's the messenger as much as the message. You're kind of an *******.

This is why people are reacting the way they are. You're arguing that tact and courtesy and respect be extended to all women, but you've made your argument without any of those things.

Great point.

Ok. I'll disregard your rude jabs in this post and call it even then. In all honesty, the one poster I was really going after deserved it and and I would do it again. **** that guy.

Nice to see how much you've grown over the last few pages. I believe in giving credit where due, and you did have a great point in that one post where you said "Great point."

MONSTA

 

[freakazoid]

 

[LogGrad98]

https://jezebel.com/a-hollaback-response-video-women-of-color-on-street-ha-1655494647

Interesting addition to the conversation.

 

[scootsy]

https://jezebel.com/a-hollaback-response-video-women-of-color-on-street-ha-1655494647

Interesting addition to the conversation.

Every time I read something like that I think of this video about how great it is to be a white dude. I'll post the link, but I won't embed it because it is NOT safe for work.

NSFW!


Lil Dicky - White Dude

https://youtube.com/watch?v=3rnFlQAvk8U