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For those of you who don't like Jimmer...

I really don't know how those comparisons are going to hold up when Jimmer is in the NBA, playing the PG position and guarding guys who are in an entire different galaxy than the likes of what you posted.

Look, I'm not saying that you're wrong either and I'll be the first to admit that I don't know exactly how Jimmer's NBA career is going to play out, but just about every NBA Scout who has made comments about Jimmer has voiced the concern that he will be a pretty big liability on defense.

It could be an issue... but at the same time half of those also say the positives will outweigh the negatives.... and every year 1/2 to 2/3 of the picks based on the scouts info turns out bad. The only way we will find out for sure is to check back in a year or two to see how things turn out. Many people think he will fail, but there are enough scouts, GM's, and regular people that think he will suceed to make this interesting. I say we take him with our 2nd pick... but that's because I think he will suceed because I think he is determined and tough as nails.
 
Trout speaks the truth.

I truly believe you and Trout believe this...... and are wrong again.
Good for you both for not flopping.
I plan on picking up a couple of roadkill crows for you both in a couple of years.
Ok, continue on with your broken record, while I continue on with mine.
 
I love how every guy that Jimmer is compared to is white, cause you know, white boys all play the same.

Calling BS here. The single most frequent comparison I've seen across many media platforms is Eddie House (most recently today in Andy Katz's ESPN column). House, and Mark Price, are the comparisons used by NBADraft.net. Last I checked Eddie House wasn't white. That said I don't particularly like that comparison and it feels a bit lazy to me.

Personally in the Gonzaga game he kind of reminded me of an evolutionary Vinnie Johnson (since the three wasn't an emphasized weapon in Johnson's era). That's the only person I recall being able to square his shoulders to the hoop on the move the same way Jimmer does. Vinnie's physical stature was almost identical as well.
 
....but at the same time half of those also say the positives will outweigh the negatives.... and every year 1/2 to 2/3 of the picks based on the scouts info turns out bad.

While I certainly agree that NBA scouts get it wrong from time to time, it seems to me they're usually pretty accurate when predicting a player's weaknesses at the next level. Where most scouts/GM's get in trouble is when they fall in love with a player's strengths and feel like they can either be coached out of their weaknesses or that the positives are enough to overcome the negatives.

There's no doubt that Jimmer is a gamer with an attitude that you'd want any of your draft picks to have. But he's never going to be taller, faster or more athletic than he is now. If Utah uses their 2nd pick on him I'll keep my fingers crossed and hope for the best but I think think he faces extremely long odds on being anything more than a role player at the next level.
 
I truly believe you and Trout believe this...... and are wrong again.
Good for you both for not flopping.
I plan on picking up a couple of roadkill crows for you both in a couple of years.
Ok, continue on with your broken record, while I continue on with mine.

I assume you're talking about Dick when you say, "wrong again". Clearly, I've never been wrong about anything on this board.
 
Can someone show me the last time a player became a better defender against tougher competition?

This is essentially my point summarized in a sentence. I just went out of my way to make sense of it to those that couldn't understand the concept.

Never playing defense in college is going to make him an adequate defender in the NBA. That's the most asinine statement anybody could make but several have already done so.
 
My anger and frustration at the Jazz FO if they select Fredette with the 6th pick will rival my anger and frustration at the hayward at the 9th pick last year.

But I'm cool with them drafting Fredette with the 12th pick. It's a gamble but I don't know who else at pick 12 I'd rather put my money on. It's a fairly safe bet I think - in spite of the naysayers.
 
My anger and frustration at the Jazz FO if they select Fredette with the 6th pick will rival my anger and frustration at the hayward at the 9th pick last year.

But I'm cool with them drafting Fredette with the 12th pick. It's a gamble but I don't know who else at pick 12 I'd rather put my money on. It's a fairly safe bet I think - in spite of the naysayers.

Ute fans need to put away their pitchforks and torches. I haven't seen one poster suggest we take Jimmer with our first pick. In fact, I haven't seen anyone suggest we take him in the top 10.

When people talk about drafting Jimmer, it's always in reference to the 2nd pick.

And contrary to what some of you diffusional fans might believe, we WILL be in the lottery this year. There's no way in hell this team makes the playoffs.
 
Somebody said to take Fredette with the 6th pick. That's what I was responding to. It would be a waste of the pick since he'll still be there at 12. That's all I"m saying.
 
Somebody said to take Fredette with the 6th pick. That's what I was responding to. It would be a waste of the pick since he'll still be there at 12. That's all I"m saying.

Agree. Many other choices with much bigger upside are available at #6 even if Barnes is gone. If we have to reach, I'd rather us reaching for Brandon Knight.
 
Somebody said to take Fredette with the 6th pick. That's what I was responding to. It would be a waste of the pick since he'll still be there at 12. That's all I"m saying.

To keep confusion down, you could quote it next time. The vast majority are saying 2nd pick. If you're responding to something on page three then you're going to look agenda driven without a quote.

If he keeps blowing teams up in the tourney then he's going top ten. sports are all about what did you do for me today. The tourney will be fresh on their minds. We don't know where he'll go, but pretending he'll be there at 12 is plenty far outside professional opinion at this point.

**Edit**
I found the source of your confusion. A completely different thread.

Guys. We need NJ to win, win, win! How are we going to justify taking Jimmer in the top 5? Jazz fall to the 8-10 range and sweet lil' Jimmer is ours FOREVER!

NJ loses! Yes!

Hey, Clint, Jazz don't have to draft Jimmer with the 5th pick or 8 or 10. They can get him with the 12th pick.

BTW, Drifter was being sarcastic.
 
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