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For those of you who don't like Jimmer...

The Thriller said:
Sorry, should I be more objective like you?

Jimmer sucks because he's mormon!
He's white!
There's no way he can play in the NBA he looks like a hobbit from lord of the rings!
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No he doesn't, he looks like a guy with a killer mullet chewing on some hay with a red truck.
 
Can someone show me the last time a player became a better defender against tougher competition?
 
NUMBERICA said:
Can someone show me the last time a player became a better defender against tougher competition?
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Good question. I think the ironic answer is yes, but rarely. There are teams like Syracuse that play almost 90 percent zone. Some of their players probably looked better when the chains came off and they finally just guarded one guy. I have a hard time believing Jimmer is going to be one of those guys.
 
The Jimmer makes Steve Kerr cry to sleep
The Jimmer gives Peja wet dreams
The Jimmer's range is so long that mascots need a new halftime show
The NCAA will announce it's retirement when The Jimmer leaves
Ice in The Jimmer's veins is so cold they use it to measure absolute zero
 
If Stephen Curry got drafted at #8 (I think, too lazy to fact check), I dont see why Jimmer cant go just as high.
 
https://www.nba.com/2011/news/featu...board-point-guards/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1 Ranking point guards in this draft, here is what they say about the Jimmster:
Then there's Fredette, the BYU senior who led the nation in scoring and who put up 52 in the Mountain West semifinal. There is no question about Fredette's ability to put the ball in the basket. His range is unlimited and his ability to create his own shot will make him dangerous, no matter who's guarding him. He's much better than the likes of Travis Diener and Bryce Drew, other scoring guards who've been compared to him.
"Not only can he shoot it, he can get it off under duress," one general manager said of Fredette. "He splits traps. Nice assist totals. He's got vision. He's a very productive player. You can make the argument that he's a high volume shooter, but I would be surprised if he just washes away. I'm not saying he's a star, a max player, but I think he'll find a niche in the league and be successful, like Kyle Korver and J.J. Redick. He'll be on the ball. You could slide him over. Especially if he gets on a good team and he's with guys who draw double teams in the frontcourt. He's going to create some dilemmas for teams."
Said a Central Division man: "I don't know if he's good enough to go (in the Lottery) or not. But having said that, he could play for us right now, because he could score. He's probably going to be a guard that comes off the bench and makes things happen."

More Kyle Korver than Eddie House? Scouts are spilt on who Jimmer Fredette will play like as a pro.
Fredette's issue is defense. He doesn't play any. It's not just that he's garden variety bad; he's historically bad, according to a lot of scouts.
"I think he's almost invisible defensively," one personnel director said. "I watched Jackson Emery (Fredette's backcourt mate at BYU) out there and he's guarding like one and a half guys. I don't think I've ever seen (Fredette) bend his knees at the defensive end."
Some say that Fredette's defensive liabilities are a product of his importance to BYU, that the Cougars can't afford to have him get in foul trouble, so they encourage him to be passive on defense and not take chances. Others disagree.
"To me, that's kind of a copout," the personnel director said. "How many point guards really get in foul trouble in the course of a game? I just don't think he has any desire to defend. He can be a backup. He has to play a team that gives him some rope to take the kind of shots he takes. If you look at the starting point guards in our league, he has just no chance at defending any of them."
Said a veteran scout: "I don't see Fredette being a key part at our level. I see him like Eddie House, basically. You're a point guard; you have to be able to guard somebody.
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So they are basically saying what I am saying, because I am aways right, he will make a good replacement for Ronnie Price if we can get him with our second pick.
 
I just don't think he has any desire to defend. He can be a backup. He has to play a team that gives him some rope to take the kind of shots he takes. If you look at the starting point guards in our league, he has just no chance at defending any of them."
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IMO, that's the most damning part of Jimmer's scouting report. Even if Jimmer came in and gave you 30 points in an NBA game, the guy(s) he's guarding are probably going to go off for 35.
 
jazzman12 said:
IMO, that's the most damning part of Jimmer's scouting report. Even if Jimmer came in and gave you 30 points in an NBA game, the guy(s) he's guarding are probably going to go off for 35.
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In your opinion BYU was going to lose to Gonzaga.
You could be wrong on this too.
I'm not saying you are.... just saying you could be.

Anyone care to look up how many points were scored in each game by the guy that was Jimmer's guard?
It would be interesting to know.
 
franklin said:
Yes, it's a combined boatload because they triple to quintuple team him.
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Just for fun I looked at the Gonzaga game at the 5 guards that Jimmer may have guarded, and came up with a total of 1 point scored.

Wofford the 4 guards that played in the game scored a total of 32, but that includes whoever Emery guarded too. Jimmer 32

SDSU the 4 guards that played in the game scored a total of 16 points, Jimmer 30.

New Mexico the 5 guard total was 44 points, Jimmer 52 - Jimmer and Emery 66.

TCU 3 starting guards 42 - BYU 3 (Jimmer, Emery, Collinsworth) 38

Wyoming 4 guards 39 - Jimmer himself 38 ( +Emery 56)

If Jimmer's defense is so bad, I would expect somebody to go off on him, or BYU.
Either Jimmer is better at D than most people think, or Jimmer tires the other team guards out so much in them having to defend that they fail to score.... which would equate to having the same effect as playing good D.

Either way, BYU's guard line is consistently outscoring the opponents..... I am way too lazy to try to pick out Jimmer's primary defensive assignment for these games, especially when it changes with subs.
 
JazzSpazz said:
Just for fun I looked at the Gonzaga game at the 5 guards that Jimmer may have guarded, and came up with a total of 1 point scored.

Wofford the 4 guards that played in the game scored a total of 32, but that includes whoever Emery guarded too. Jimmer 32

SDSU the 4 guards that played in the game scored a total of 16 points, Jimmer 30.

New Mexico the 5 guard total was 44 points, Jimmer 52 - Jimmer and Emery 66.

TCU 3 starting guards 42 - BYU 3 (Jimmer, Emery, Collinsworth) 38

Wyoming 4 guards 39 - Jimmer himself 38 ( +Emery 56)

If Jimmer's defense is so bad, I would expect somebody to go off on him, or BYU.
Either Jimmer is better at D than most people think, or Jimmer tires the other team guards out so much in them having to defend that they fail to score.... which would equate to having the same effect as playing good D.

Either way, BYU's guard line is consistently outscoring the opponents..... I am way too lazy to try to pick out Jimmer's primary defensive assignment for these games, especially when it changes with subs.
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I really don't know how those comparisons are going to hold up when Jimmer is in the NBA, playing the PG position and guarding guys who are in an entire different galaxy than the likes of what you posted.

Look, I'm not saying that you're wrong either and I'll be the first to admit that I don't know exactly how Jimmer's NBA career is going to play out, but just about every NBA Scout who has made comments about Jimmer has voiced the concern that he will be a pretty big liability on defense.
 
JazzSpazz said:
Just for fun I looked at the Gonzaga game at the 5 guards that Jimmer may have guarded, and came up with a total of 1 point scored.

Wofford the 4 guards that played in the game scored a total of 32, but that includes whoever Emery guarded too. Jimmer 32

SDSU the 4 guards that played in the game scored a total of 16 points, Jimmer 30.

New Mexico the 5 guard total was 44 points, Jimmer 52 - Jimmer and Emery 66.

TCU 3 starting guards 42 - BYU 3 (Jimmer, Emery, Collinsworth) 38

Wyoming 4 guards 39 - Jimmer himself 38 ( +Emery 56)

If Jimmer's defense is so bad, I would expect somebody to go off on him, or BYU.
Either Jimmer is better at D than most people think, or Jimmer tires the other team guards out so much in them having to defend that they fail to score.... which would equate to having the same effect as playing good D.

Either way, BYU's guard line is consistently outscoring the opponents..... I am way too lazy to try to pick out Jimmer's primary defensive assignment for these games, especially when it changes with subs.
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I'll discount this box score stuff. Opposing guards may not score on him, but when they blow right past him and see help defense it causes problems. Maybe Heart Socks slides over to help, maybe it's Emery who is usually guarding 1 3/4 men.
 
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