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Hollinger REALLY high on the Jazz

Hantlers said:
According to several of the people I talk to on a daily basis, Utah is in talks with 2 teams in the top-10 trying to get a pick. They're asking for 2+ players and possibly some money. I'll try to get more details.
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Let us know, bro.
 
Hantlers said:
According to several of the people I talk to on a daily basis, Utah is in talks with 2 teams in the top-10 trying to get a pick. They're asking for 2+ players and possibly some money. I'll try to get more details.
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I love this kind if stuff even if it is not true.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Would adding Pau still hurt our ability to sign 1 max player? What about Okafor? Both of them expire the in 2014 so it wouldn't effect our ability to sign Favors or Hayward.
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There are numerous benefits to having copious amounts of cap space that go far beyond simply signing a "max player." As both a supplemental and contingency plan to signing that "1 max player," the Jazz can continue to improve their roster and acquire assets simply by retaining that extra cap space.
Look at players like Rajon Rondo in Boston, Rudy Fernandez in Portland, and Serge Ibaka for OKC/Sea and of course Gordan Hayward here. You can get quality players on rookie contracts simply by taking on a bad contract because you have the flexibility to absorb it. The key with Utah is often times you can only acquire these extra assets during a full-scale rebuilding period - but the Jazz are in a position to have this cap flexibility while maintaining a solid foundation with their core-4. Unless a truly unbelievable deal that is clearly a no-brainer comes along, if I'm KOC I don't give up my 2013 cap room for an aging player past his prime - it's just too valuable.
 
vslice02 said:
There are numerous benefits to having copious amounts of cap space that go far beyond simply signing a "max player." As both a supplemental and contingency plan to signing that "1 max player," the Jazz can continue to improve their roster and acquire assets simply by retaining that extra cap space.
Look at players like Rajon Rondo in Boston, Rudy Fernandez in Portland, and Serge Ibaka for OKC/Sea and of course Gordan Hayward here. You can get quality players on rookie contracts simply by taking on a bad contract because you have the flexibility to absorb it. The key with Utah is often times you can only acquire these extra assets during a full-scale rebuilding period - but the Jazz are in a position to have this cap flexibility while maintaining a solid foundation with their core-4. Unless a truly unbelievable deal that is clearly a no-brainer comes along, if I'm KOC I don't give up my 2013 cap room for an aging player past his prime - it's just too valuable.
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Anyone disagree with any of that? I doubt it. Great post, slice.
 
vslice02 said:
There are numerous benefits to having copious amounts of cap space that go far beyond simply signing a "max player." As both a supplemental and contingency plan to signing that "1 max player," the Jazz can continue to improve their roster and acquire assets simply by retaining that extra cap space.
Look at players like Rajon Rondo in Boston, Rudy Fernandez in Portland, and Serge Ibaka for OKC/Sea and of course Gordan Hayward here. You can get quality players on rookie contracts simply by taking on a bad contract because you have the flexibility to absorb it. The key with Utah is often times you can only acquire these extra assets during a full-scale rebuilding period - but the Jazz are in a position to have this cap flexibility while maintaining a solid foundation with their core-4. Unless a truly unbelievable deal that is clearly a no-brainer comes along, if I'm KOC I don't give up my 2013 cap room for an aging player past his prime - it's just too valuable.
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So let me understand this correctly then. The Jazz already have 4 possible studs. They will have a lot of cap space next off season. They can use that cap space to add more young talent and pieces that could help the team in the future?

It sounds like the rest of the NBA should be very afraid of the Jazz in about 2 years. This is getting exciting.
 
PKM said:
He actually has a very big lower body. His calves are almost massive, in fact. He'll be able add plenty of strength/bulk .. but it will take some time. He gained about 30 pounds since enrolling at UK.
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He needs to get on my diet, his *** will be fat in no time.
 
Isnt everyone forgetting that Favors is going to be a max guy, and Hayward,Burk,Kanter could command upwards of 9+ each?

I realize that they still have some years on their contracts. But like with Deron wouldnt we be extending Favors earlier than when contract is up?

I could have swore we gave Deron the max after 3 years in. Am I wrong on this? His fourth he was making max right?

Are the rookie contracts different from back then?

I just wonder because Favors is going into his third year. I think we have to start thinking about those salary implications.

I could be totally wrong though. Thats just the way I remember it.

I need some nerd in here to correct me. Jk you not nerdy.
 
BluesRocker said:
[1]Isnt everyone forgetting that Favors is going to be a max guy, and Hayward,Burk,Kanter could command upwards of 9+ each?
I realize that they still have some years on their contracts. But like with Deron wouldnt we be extending Favors earlier than when contract is up?
[2]I could have swore we gave Deron the max after 3 years in.
[3]Am I wrong on this? His fourth he was making max right?
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1. Nobody is overlooking this. First, the odds are definitely against Favors, Hayward, Kanter, and Burks all turning into terrific players. Regardless of that, just because they were for the most part "homegrown" talent, doesn't mean the Jazz have to keep all of them forever to have a successful future. Financially it isn't feasible - and you only have to look at the two Western Conference teams still playing for an example on how to handle such a situation. OKC drafted their young core of Durant/Westbrook/Jeff Green/Harden, used their cap space to pick up Ibaka and Eric Maynor for virtually nothing. They had the foresight to understand Jeff Green would soon be a restricted FA so instead of overpaying to keep a finese/stretch 4, they flipped him into a veteran who was one best low-post defenders in the game and the type of player to allow them to go head-to-head with LA's front line. San Antonio did something similar in trading George Hill (who would've wanted an extension from SA this summer) to Indiana for Kahwi Leonard - another player simply on a rookie-scale contract.

2.) Deron signed his extension prior to the 2008-09 season (after his 3rd-year in the league) but his 8-figure salary didn't kick in until the 2009-10 season.

3.) Yes you're wrong. Deron's max salary didn't kick in until his 5th-season in the league.

Derrick Favors and Gordan Hayward will be eligible to sign extensions prior to their 4th NBA season (summer 2013) but they will still play the 2013-14 season under their rookie contract and their extensions would not kick in until their 5th season (2014-15).
 
vslice02 said:
1. Nobody is overlooking this. First, the odds are definitely against Favors, Hayward, Kanter, and Burks all turning into terrific players. Regardless of that, just because they were for the most part "homegrown" talent, doesn't mean the Jazz have to keep all of them forever to have a successful future. Financially it isn't feasible - and you only have to look at the two Western Conference teams still playing for an example on how to handle such a situation. OKC drafted their young core of Durant/Westbrook/Jeff Green/Harden, used their cap space to pick up Ibaka and Eric Maynor for virtually nothing. They had the foresight to understand Jeff Green would soon be a restricted FA so instead of overpaying to keep a finese/stretch 4, they flipped him into a veteran who was one best low-post defenders in the game and the type of player to allow them to go head-to-head with LA's front line. San Antonio did something similar in trading George Hill (who would've wanted an extension from SA this summer) to Indiana for Kahwi Leonard - another player simply on a rookie-scale contract.

2.) Deron signed his extension prior to the 2008-09 season (after his 3rd-year in the league) but his 8-figure salary didn't kick in until the 2009-10 season.

3.) Yes you're wrong. Deron's max salary didn't kick in until his 5th-season in the league.

Derrick Favors and Gordan Hayward will be eligible to sign extensions prior to their 4th NBA season (summer 2013) but they will still play the 2013-14 season under their rookie contract and their extensions would not kick in until their 5th season (2014-15).
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That new provision that they started with Rose allows rookies to enter the max years earlier if they get two All-Stars or All-NBA teams, or something along those lines.
 
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