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Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones

Handlogten's Heros said:
I do agree with this. Just think if the Jazz were truly genuine about retooling around Don there would be more noise about guys they were going after to fill out the roster. Daniel Theis was one guy I said they should pursue loudly as he is likely very gettable and worst case it sells your story a bit.

Maybe they haven’t gotten to the pivot moves yet though… for a number of reasons. Guess time will tell… thanks for coming by and chatting us up.
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Don't really want Theis. Assuming a tank, I'd rather give the minutes to Kessler, and find out once and for all if Azubuike can play.
 
Like I still think the best case scenario for the Jazz is to keep Mitchell and still get Victor.

To me the Jazz could potentially nab a top tier UFA if they tell them they are about to trade for *insert top 30 type player*.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Like I still think the best case scenario for the Jazz is to keep Mitchell and still get Victor.

To me the Jazz could potentially nab a top tier UFA if they tell them they are about to trade for *insert top 30 type player*.
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Okay… so the plan is stay bad enough with Don that you have a 14% shot at Wemby, sign a difference making UFA (market ain’t exactly loaded next year), and execute a trade for a star. Burn a year on Dons deal and hope this plan rekindles his desire to stay… or pray we win a title in the last two years of his deal before he walks.

I just don’t think that’s the plan. Cool if that’s your take but feel like maybe it’s just the Jazz want to create the illusion they will keep Don forever to make a deal more juicy.
 
My2Cents said:
Don't really want Theis. Assuming a tank, I'd rather give the minutes to Kessler, and find out once and for all if Azubuike can play.
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The goal isn’t to get Theis but to make it seem like you are improving the team because you are keeping Donovan. Doke is t healthy yet… Kessler can still get minutes… if those guys are carrying your center minutes with Don and company you are a 30 win team.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Okay… so the plan is stay bad enough with Don that you have a 14% shot at Wemby, sign a difference making UFA (market ain’t exactly loaded next year), and execute a trade for a star. Burn a year on Dons deal and hope this plan rekindles his desire to stay… or pray we win a title in the last two years of his deal before he walks.

I just don’t think that’s the plan. Cool if that’s your take but feel like maybe it’s just the Jazz want to create the illusion they will keep Don forever to make a deal more juicy.
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Or Scoot, or one of the other top guys. Vic is just optimal.

I promise that's the plan unless the Knicks give us a steal of a trade.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Tony said they'd be comfortable for being bad one year.

One year tank and quick rebuild around Don. Use twolves futures to bring in star.

I think thats the current Jazz plan. Could change in the next year if Knicks meet the asking price
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If that was the plan I don't think Windhorst and MacMahon would be reporting that the Jazz are motivated to trade Donovan before training camp begins.
 
I think it happens right around training camp.

3 unprotected
1 protected
3 swaps
Fournier, Toppin, Quickley (routed to Lakers?)

I think the point that HH raises about the cloud hanging over the Knicks’ players is legit, and I don’t think they have the courage or wherewithal to run with it and tank. So if they’re not gonna do that, they kinda gotta pull the trigger.

On the other side, I do have concerns Ainge is kind of insane and I hope rationality wins out if a good offer is on the table.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I also don’t know where to put this, but not tanking/being dog **** in ‘24 would be a mistake due to the protected pick owed to OKC.
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Well, then it would be a mistake to not be terrible in '25 because the pick would just slide over to that year.

And then it would be a mistake to not be terrible in '26 because of the protected pick.

Is one draft pick worth being bad for 3 years?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Or Scoot, or one of the other top guys. Vic is just optimal.

I promise that's the plan unless the Knicks give us a steal of a trade.
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I don’t think you are crazy… I think you have your reasons for believing that… I think the people clued into the Jazz have their reasons to believe that as that is what they are being told… and maybe those folks are genuine… I see so many holes in that plan… it ignores all the human elements of this. Don hasn’t requested a trade yet… but the story comes out that if it happens he’d like it to be team xyz. He will not be benched like SGA… if we are trying to tank with him it will be a miserable year in limbo. If we suck he doesn’t get the accolades he wants… it risks injury or the possibility he’s exposed a little… you and I know how important Rudy is to his production and they have maximum spacers around him last couple years. Not to mention we kinda went out of our way to offload his best buds from the team. He will place nice only so long… doubt we want to get to a Harden or BS type situation here.

If plan A is to build around Don why get THT. He will eat up cap space that we don’t have to spare if Don is on the roster. If the plan is to be ****** we could just play JB.

I think we could end up keeping Donovan this year but it’s like plan C or D. If the Knicks dig in and say 2 unprotected picks, no RJ, No Grimes… I could see us waiting and it being miserable… if they bump up that offer as I suspect they will… then we pull the trigger at some point. I don’t think it has to come all the way up to Danny’s full price but it is Danny so he might just be stubborn enough.
 
Think Donovan has to be traded before training camp opens
Cat is out of the bag
Too much has been said now
Can't trade him at deadline
What happens for All Star Game
Who's uniform does he wear
 
slc said:
Think Donovan has to be traded before training camp opens
Cat is out of the bag
Too much has been said now
Can't trade him at deadline
What happens for All Star Game
Who's uniform does he wear
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Ha… if we tank he’ll be in Cancun for AS break.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Well, then it would be a mistake to not be terrible in '25 because the pick would just slide over to that year.

And then it would be a mistake to not be terrible in '26 because of the protected pick.

Is one draft pick worth being bad for 3 years?
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If we don’t convey one of those picks it means we are in a good spot. We absolutely should be terrible in 23 and 24 at the absolute minimum.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Well, then it would be a mistake to not be terrible in '25 because the pick would just slide over to that year.

And then it would be a mistake to not be terrible in '26 because of the protected pick.

Is one draft pick worth being bad for 3 years?
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No but it’s a factor. If you are holding onto Don and competing it will be difficult to avoid giving that pick up in 24. Giving up a pick early in a rebuild is different than giving one up as you are coming out of the rebuild as your new star talent will have pulled you up out the mud. If we aren’t trading Donovan we will have some extra picks but not the treasure trove we would have otherwise so each pick has a little more value.

It would be tough to plan around keeping that pick. If we decide to really start the tank next year I could see us sucking long enough to keep it… it would mean we competed this year though and essentially traded our own high lotto pick this year for a mid lotto pick this year. To @NUMBERICA point… if we decided to be competitive next year too with Don… you give up a pick and now have one year of Donovan under contract. Would be pretty poor planning.
 
Look I’ve read every word on the internet and dark web. I have visited Best Buy… met with @bigmike… and done a podcast with Monty… last night I was visited by the rally churro and it spoke to me… here is what I know…

- we will trade for Westbrook
- we trade Don and RJ ends up coming back
- Stanley Johnson goes to the Knicks
- we end up with two lotto picks next year
- birds are not real
 
I don't doubt that Tony is getting this exact narrative from the Jazz and I cannot fault him for reporting it since it's most probably coming straight from the team, but come on... we are forum posters, we are not idiots... except for one :P

But yah... allow me to be extremely skeptical about that line of reasoning and reports coming from the Jazz. Look at what they do, not at what they say. EVERY move this off-season has been "starting a rebuild" move and not "lets retool around Mitchell" move. We can listen to those reports and still realize what exactly is happening here.
 
stitches said:
I don't doubt that Tony is getting this exact narrative from the Jazz and I cannot fault him for reporting it since it's most probably coming straight from the team, but come on... we are forum posters, we are not idiots... except for one :P

But yah... allow me to be extremely skeptical about that line of reasoning and reports coming from the Jazz. Look at what they do, not at what they say. EVERY move this off-season has been "starting a rebuild" move and not "lets retool around Mitchell" move. We can listen to those reports and still realize what exactly is happening here.
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Exactly lol, what about trading Beverley when the main thing we’ve needed is perimeter defenders the last few years screams re-tooling? He’s about as good of a fit around Donovan as you could realistically get right now.
 
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