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Luol Deng ends up in Utah (Rumour)

NAOS said:
Andy, do you remember when Jody got a little trolled by a poster by the name "Hack"? It was professionally embarrassing for him, I'm sure. Well, green is no better. FYI.
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Hack is intentionally bad though right?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Do you have a crystal ball? This year hasn't started.

If I'm DL I make a call to several big guys (their agents anyways) and just ask but I'm moving off of them quickly. Everyone has space and will still have space... When a few players get snapped up their will be a plethora of teams still with space and few players to bid on... That's when the desperate auctions will happen and people will make the worst mistakes.
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And that's why I think md-tier guys will just wait. It's not like 15 guys are competing for 5 slots on teams with cap space. All but a couple of teams will have space.
 
andylarsen said:
FWIW, I promise I didn't get this from JazzFanz! (Also, WTH are the first five pages of this thread? This would be the hardest thing to steal in the world.)
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At least you are a better reporter than David Locke then. That dude thrives off of Jazzfanz.com info. He wasn't on air a day after reading my jazzfanz posts joking about the next troll job being the Jazz are renegotiating Derrick Favors.

https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?50862-Jazz-Trade-Value-List&p=1238845&viewfull=1#post1238845

I haven't revisited the new CBA in a long time and was unaware of this change. I think we just found the knew Jazz drama talking point. "Favors is vastly underpaid and I hear his agent is demanding a contract restructuring." DJ and PK, Jody Gennessy, Aaron Falk and Tony Jones will be rolling this one out in short order.

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Do I ever get a prediction wrong?
 
Interesting discussion going on. First and the most frustrating is i brought up solomon hill. I brought him up a couple of months ago and was lambasted by a couple people that are pimping now. I am ashamed of you and you know who you are.

Hill would be a great pick up even for the 10/12 mil range 2 years would be ideal with an option for 3. He is the kind of player that gives everything when he playes. He is n9t smooth but can be very effective.

I need to watch more to see whe he is inconsistent then much better. Playing time has something to do with it. Hill > ingles but ingles is a great 10 to 12 guy.

Deng is interesting because he is getting worse but he is the kind of vet that will find his nich in the league and have another 5 to 8 years to his career.

I wonder if deng can play minutes at the 5 in the small ball line up or move lyles to the 5. I am not sold on lyles at the 5 unless he puts on some muscle this summer. He has the size to be ok against most back up centers. As big a miss match on defense lyles would be he would be a bigger mismatch on offense.

I would love to fill out the roster with both

g hill, exum, neto
Hood, burks
Hayward, hill, ingles
Favors, deng, bolomboy
Gobert, lyles, withey

Or something like that
 
Stifle Tower said:
And that's why I think md-tier guys will just wait. It's not like 15 guys are competing for 5 slots on teams with cap space. All but a couple of teams will have space.
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There may be a guy or two that don't want to wait it out though. Some of them have not made the mega-NBA money yet.
 
Crocodile Dante said:
Interesting discussion going on. First and the most frustrating is i brought up solomon hill. I brought him up a couple of months ago and was lambasted by a couple people that are pimping now. I am ashamed of you and you know who you are.

Hill would be a great pick up even for the 10/12 mil range 2 years would be ideal with an option for 3. He is the kind of player that gives everything when he playes. He is n9t smooth but can be very effective.

I need to watch more to see whe he is inconsistent then much better. Playing time has something to do with it. Hill > ingles but ingles is a great 10 to 12 guy.

Deng is interesting because he is getting worse but he is the kind of vet that will find his nich in the league and have another 5 to 8 years to his career.

I wonder if deng can play minutes at the 5 in the small ball line up or move lyles to the 5. I am not sold on lyles at the 5 unless he puts on some muscle this summer. He has the size to be ok against most back up centers. As big a miss match on defense lyles would be he would be a bigger mismatch on offense.

I would love to fill out the roster with both

g hill, exum, neto
Hood, burks
Hayward, hill, ingles
Favors, deng, bolomboy
Gobert, lyles, withey

Or something like that
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Really... both of them? So Exum Burks Hill Deng and Lyles each get 16-18 minutes a night with the starters getting 30-32?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Really... both of them? So Exum Burks Hill Deng and Lyles each get 16-18 minutes a night with the starters getting 30-32?
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What can i say i am gluttonous. Play who ever is hot. No idea where burks is because of his injury history. Exum will need some time to get back to nba lvl.

Favors needs some breaks to be ready for the playoffs.

Rudy plays in a way that leads to ankle and knee sprains.

Hood can get 25 min a nightm
 
Crocodile Dante said:
Interesting discussion going on. First and the most frustrating is i brought up solomon hill. I brought him up a couple of months ago and was lambasted by a couple people that are pimping now. I am ashamed of you and you know who you are.

Hill would be a great pick up even for the 10/12 mil range 2 years would be ideal with an option for 3. He is the kind of player that gives everything when he playes. He is n9t smooth but can be very effective.

I need to watch more to see whe he is inconsistent then much better. Playing time has something to do with it. Hill > ingles but ingles is a great 10 to 12 guy.

Deng is interesting because he is getting worse but he is the kind of vet that will find his nich in the league and have another 5 to 8 years to his career.

I wonder if deng can play minutes at the 5 in the small ball line up or move lyles to the 5. I am not sold on lyles at the 5 unless he puts on some muscle this summer. He has the size to be ok against most back up centers. As big a miss match on defense lyles would be he would be a bigger mismatch on offense.

I would love to fill out the roster with both

g hill, exum, neto
Hood, burks
Hayward, hill, ingles
Favors, deng, bolomboy
Gobert, lyles, withey

Or something like that
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Oh give me a break like kitkats guy! You don't got jump on anything so get off goat and stop it do em eased for you.
 
Crocodile Dante said:
What can i say i am gluttonous. Play who ever is hot. No idea where burks is because of his injury history. Exum will need some time to get back to nba lvl.

Favors needs some breaks to be ready for the playoffs.

Rudy plays in a way that leads to ankle and knee sprains.

Hood can get 25 min a nightm
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You also say such foolish thing like Jazz can trade favors for cousins and gay!!!! What is this?
 
I'm all for adding talent such as Deng but I don't like the fit if he & Exum are both in the second unit (although I'd probably do it at the right $/yrs). I know lineups will be mixed & matched but I think you need more than 1 shooter (Lyles) with a backcourt of Exum & Burks (especially if Whithey is your C). This is one of the reasons I hope Hill & Exum at least equally split time with the first unit.

I like the potential of a 2nd unit consisting of Hill, Burks, 3&D SF, Lyles, & Whithey/DEF C. I don't like the idea of Lyles getting less minutes as Deng is probably best utilized at the 4 at this point tho. All for adding talent, just think there are better fits (depending on how we intend to use our lineup).
 
Thought I'd just throw out some other FA possibilities as a backup 3/4:
Trevor Booker
Deng
Solomon Hill
Dudley
Crabbe (R)
Evan Turner
Harkless
Gerald Green
Jeff Green
Brandon Bass
Alonzo Gee
Lance Thomas
Dorell Wright
James Ennis
Tayshaun Prince


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framer said:
Deng and Hill are TREMENDOUS upgrades over Ingles and Booker. Both are better than league average starters for one. Ingles and Booker will NEVER be even poor rotational starters. We have our project, his name is Trey Lyles. He is still two years out from being something special. Quincy Acy, Brandon Bass, and Booker don't move the needle at all, and we need to stop wasting people's time with these type of pickups. Settling for chumps like these helps build Utah's rep as a "poor free agency destination." Nobody wan't to share a billing with those guys.
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Just for the record I was talking about GEORGE Hill, Sorry for the last six pages.

I do love me some Solomon Hill, loved watching him play for Arizona, but if we get Deng, Hill is kind of redundant. If we strike out on Deng, I would revisit the Hill discussion. Lyles is better than Hill, imo. . .
 
silesian said:
Only if the outlier is due to experimental error. Not if it does not fit your argument.
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What about if they pray to the right god on the right night? Let me ask you this way: if you were getting ready to guarantee S. Hill $48 Million dollars, would you count that last game of the year when you were projecting his stats based on past outcomes? That's a Yes or No question.
 
NAOS said:
Let me ask you this way: if you were getting ready to guarantee S. Hill $48 Million dollars, would you count that last game of the year when you were projecting his stats based on past outcomes? That's a Yes or No question.
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Well, first of all, no one appreciates your bullying tactics like demanding "yes or no" -- please try to be polite. If your world is black and white, that is fine, mine is not.

I think you are focused too much about the particular calculation of the arithmetic mean, which is a single value among a plethora of statistical analysis. It is very limited and just one indicator of central tendency, potentially misleading when used to project future outcomes.

I would look at all the data including the great game. I might look at the mean with and without a particular game if I feel there may be a reason why the game is not representative of a player's potential. I'd also look at variability of key statistics, not just averages.

The predictive power of ANY one game (good or bad) is practically zero. I would not, however, put my head in the sand and ignore it completely.

And there is no way I would offer him anywhere near $48M.
 
silesian said:
Well, first of all, no one appreciates your bullying tactics like demanding "yes or no" -- please try to be polite. If your world is black and white, that is fine, mine is not.

I think you are focused too much about the particular calculation of the arithmetic mean, which is a single value among a plethora of statistical analysis. It is very limited and just one indicator of central tendency, potentially misleading when used to project future outcomes.

I would look at all the data including the great game. I might look at the mean with and without a particular game if I feel there may be a reason why the game is not representative of a player's potential. I'd also look at variability of key statistics, not just averages.

The predictive power of ANY one game (good or bad) is practically zero. I would not, however, put my head in the sand and ignore it completely.

And there is no way I would offer him anywhere near $48M.
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that game is an outlier if there ever was an outlier. Thanks for the 101, doe.
 
Dudley is the perfect fit for a team like the Jazz. He is a good guy who doesn't get into trouble so the Jazz love that. He can play a little also. Is a seasoned Vet who is fine with coming off the bench and if needed he can start and is good enough to hold his own..Dudley has carved out a nice career for himself. Better then most thought on draft day out of him, myself included. He really changed his game from B.C. and became a solid NBA player
 
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