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silesian said:
Athletic = yes (DG is not that athletic)

Physical = doubtful, but maybe with A LOT of growth. This is a mental toughness issue. Imagine Booker mental toughness combined with Lyles skills. For that reason I'd like to see Booker back next year so he can rub off on Lyles and others (although in a role with lesser minutes). I cannot tell you how thrilled I was to see Lyles back down in the low-blow confrontation. I contrast this with Hayward, whose toughness has certainly improved a lot, but was lacking early in his career (e.g., the wet willy incident)


DG brings a lot of intangibles. The ceiling comparison is not unreasonable, but of course there are a lot of growing pains for Trey before he is even in the same conversation. Fan patience required.
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Toughness isn't always defined by acting macho and retaliating when dissed. Those are artificial standards and cultural relics. Toughness is manifested in different ways by different people.

Yes, Hayward has gotten tougher in that he appears both mentally stronger, and he has transformed his body. But that he didn't go all medievial on Delonte West for the wet willie is hardly a reliable barometer of how tough he is, or was.

I expect Lyles to hit the weights and transform his body in like manner as Hayward.
 
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Surprised noone suggested it yet but after his first 20 games it was obvious he can become very similar player to Chris Bosh.
 
zbone said:
Surprised noone suggested it yet but after his first 20 games it was obvious he can become very similar player to Chris Bosh.
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Eh. I don't see it. Lyles isn't left handed.

Jk. I still don't see it though. Bosh played a lot in the post. Lyles doesn't. Bosh was probably more athletic/fluid and just plain better. Also a good defender at one point.
 
I know the great majority of his minutes should be as a "Big", but I can't help wondering what kind of possibilities there are with him in limited minutes at the "Wing." I know there's a super-abundance of questions about this move, but if, for example, he developed a good post game, then he could be a mismatch there, too.
 
I'm also very intrigued about having Lyles play limited minutes at the wing. Might as well give it a shot and see what comes out of it.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
Toughness isn't always defined by acting macho and retaliating when dissed. Those are artificial standards and cultural relics. Toughness is manifested in different ways by different people.
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Thanks Professor. Seems obvious that there is not a singular way to be tough, but that should not stop us for looking for behaviors on the court such as what Lyles displayed against the Cavs. You also seemed to have not carefully read the post: I did not mention retaliation but rather Lyles not backing down. Finally, my benchmarking Booker's overall game was a clue you may have missed.
 
NAOS said:
I know the great majority of his minutes should be as a "Big", but I can't help wondering what kind of possibilities there are with him in limited minutes at the "Wing." I know there's a super-abundance of questions about this move, but if, for example, he developed a good post game, then he could be a mismatch there, too.
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I think we would need a much better pg who can really shoot or another stretch-4 to pull that off. I'm not having a hard time seeing lyles play on the wing but I am failing to see a good lineup to play with him.
 
silesian said:
Thanks Professor. Seems obvious that there is not a singular way to be tough, but that should not stop us for looking for behaviors on the court such as what Lyles displayed against the Cavs. You also seemed to have not carefully read the post: I did not mention retaliation but rather Lyles not backing down. Finally, my benchmarking Booker's overall game was a clue you may have missed.
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Did Hayward back down after the wet willie? I didn't see him back down. He didn't act scared. He didn't suddenly start playing passively. He shrugged it off, and everyone wants to act like he's a wimp because of that. I don't think how he responded was weak at all.
 
Lamar Odom with a better outside shot.

Not sure he has it in him to marry a Kardashian doe

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I said it when he was drafted - Lyles' ceiling is Rashard Lewis in his prime though I must admit I was gunning for Turner (and he was off the board when the Jazz drafted).
 
I think Hubie Brown had a lot of nice things to say about Lyles also IIRC ???? I remembered one time he said Lyles has very good offensive instincts and as soon as he finished saying that Lyles put on a low post move and banked a floater of the glass for 2. (it was the game VS Cleveland)


One thing I like is he plays the game the right way... Randle as #hungry as he is, still doesn't like giving the ball up and put up bad shots at times because of that. Lyles just seems to make the 'right play' each and every time he has the ball.
 
The Green comparison isn't great. Green is an A+ passer. That's not really in Lyle's skill set yet.

Lamar Odom isn't really right either for the same reasons.

Lyles is also only a so-so rebounder statistically compared to Geen and Odom (although it's possible his rates would go up if he was not playing next to Gobert/Favors).

I don't have strong memories of Van Horn so it's difficult for me to opine either way. I just remember always feeling like Van Horn was one year away from being good and then suddenly he was retired.

Ryan Anderson makes some sense as a comparison if he keeps hitting threes at this rate.
 
Sirkickyass said:
The Green comparison isn't great. Green is an A+ passer. That's not really in Lyle's skill set yet.

Lamar Odom isn't really right either for the same reasons.

Lyles is also only a so-so rebounder statistically compared to Geen and Odom (although it's possible his rates would go up if he was not playing next to Gobert/Favors).

I don't have strong memories of Van Horn so it's difficult for me to opine either way. I just remember always feeling like Van Horn was one year away from being good and then suddenly he was retired.

Ryan Anderson makes some sense as a comparison if he keeps hitting threes at this rate.
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I have more hope for Lyles here than I do rebounding. He had a nice outlet pass for an open three against the Suns.
 
Gameface said:
Did Hayward back down after the wet willie? I didn't see him back down. He didn't act scared. He didn't suddenly start playing passively. He shrugged it off, and everyone wants to act like he's a wimp because of that. I don't think how he responded was weak at all.
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You are right, probably a bad example, sorry, I really did not mean to criticize him on that. More generally, Hayward's early year play just seemed nonassertive and passive, deferring and not taking charge, more cerebral, less aggressive. I like how he's grown and his current demeanor is great -- he is acting like he is the leader on the floor. I like the dude.
 
I don't know if I read it here or on some other sight, but Lyles could be our own Detlef Schrempf and if so, I think I would be pretty happy.
 
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