Growlor
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Work is kicking my butt today so every 10 minutes I look back and laugh at this. Thanks!
Roger Braille Buyout Problems (merged)
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Work is kicking my butt today so every 10 minutes I look back and laugh at this. Thanks!
margodydek
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My apologies if someone has already mentioned this, but the guy who started a good portion for our team at SG last year is unable to find a team that covets his services. Think about that. This is both very disheartening and cause for optimism at the same time. It's disheartening because it shows ineptness on the part of both KOC for bringing him here and the coaching staff for playing him as much as they did (especially considering Burks could have really benefitted from those minutes). And it's cause for optimism because we basically got rid of one of the least coveted FA's I can remember and are replacing him with players like Foye, Burks and Hayward.
HipHopAnonymous
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I know we all hate Raja right now but you're kidding yourself if you don't think one of the top team wouldn't pick him up for the minimum. He shot 46% on FG and almost 40% from 3s. I'd be shocked if he went unsigned.
margodydek
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Well a few weeks ago he basically said that the only things left to do were dot the i's and cross the t's for the buyout to go through? Now he's rejecting it? What's the issue? I'm sure he'll land somewhere, but it doesn't look like he's getting any interest from teams where he wants to go.
margodydek
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Also, we're a team that barely squeaked into the playoffs and have vowed that we would never pay someone to not play here. I know he had a tissy fit with Ty, but if he were decent we would have kept him. So if a team in our situation is going against our morals to get rid of him, why would a team that wants to contend suddenly jump at the chance to sign him?
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HipHopAnonymous
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Yeah it's new ground for the Jazz. LHM would have never bought him out. But when Raja signed, Sloan was coach, D-Will was here. Lots of changes have been made. He doesn't want to be here and the Jazz don't want/need him anymore either. He is not a game changer by any standard but could be a decent 15 minute a night guy in the right situation.
Joe Bagadonuts
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A two hour talk with KOC would be worse than waterboarding. The human rights groups would go crazy. Great idea!
I've said this before over the past couple years but if you're trying to drum up excitement among the fan base (which I would say was successful to a large degree) after letting Matthews sign elsewhere, and your move is to pick up a guy whose last stop was the Harlem Globetrotters, you have some problems.
However, I do believe he'd be a good fit this time around with Washington. The Generals could use some veteran experience.
It is a waste to Amnesty a $3m expiring contract, especially if your team is and plans to stay under the cap. The buyout was probably that Utah pays everything over the veteran's minimum deal. Sad that Raja could not get any team to offer him a miniumum veteran's deal, when almost 50% of that contract would be paid by the NBA itself.
Ultimately, I think Raja should put his tail between his legs, be a professional, and act as a motivator and another coach for the Jazz team. Until he got injured and whiney, he did help pump the team up and provide a veteran presence. I would rather the Jazz keep him in that role (few, if any minutes per game) than to waive/buy him out and pay him the same to do nothing. I think he could actually be useful as a 12th man/player-coach.
Ultimately, I think Raja should put his tail between his legs, be a professional, and act as a motivator and another coach for the Jazz team. Until he got injured and whiney, he did help pump the team up and provide a veteran presence. I would rather the Jazz keep him in that role (few, if any minutes per game) than to waive/buy him out and pay him the same to do nothing. I think he could actually be useful as a 12th man/player-coach.
Stifle Tower
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Also consider two other key pieces of last year's wing rotation remain unsigned. On is supposedly weighing options between 5 teams while the other has met with several but come away empty-handed. Yes, I'd say Marvin Williams, Foye and more Burks is DEFINITELY an upgrade!
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billyshelby
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Not really a waste since he was the only guy left that we could amnesty. Saving the cap space was our motivation. The question is only whether management values saving any amount of money over the cap space, in which case a buyout is preferable.
billyshelby
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The thing that doesn't make sense about this situation is that Raja would have had to give up something for KOC to agree not to amnesty him. Presumably they would have talked about the scenario that Roger (as he now will be called) wouldn't get a deal. And it's not logical a team would ever agree to a buyout for the same dollar figure as the contract they're buying out. So how is it that those figures weren't agreed upon?
It seems to me that maybe Roger is reneging on his verbal pledge (or claiming it was vague.) But there is a small chance KOC didn't care about amnestying him and is now stuck with trying to work out a buyout (the 'agreement' only being that he could legally pitch his services to other teams without tampering because KOC sanctioned it.)
It seems to me that maybe Roger is reneging on his verbal pledge (or claiming it was vague.) But there is a small chance KOC didn't care about amnestying him and is now stuck with trying to work out a buyout (the 'agreement' only being that he could legally pitch his services to other teams without tampering because KOC sanctioned it.)
fallenchicken
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Let's just not play him.
hansencheek
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Roger was dumb for telling the media that a bought out was already agreed to and that they were looking at trades or free agent deals. You lose any sort of leverage in any negotiations, including in your buyout with the Jazz. Why would a team pay Roger 3.5M and give something up, if Utah is going to buy him out anyways. And from the Jazz perspective, let's say KOC heard him tell the media the buyout had been agreed to. He probably went to Roger and lowered the offer. (If you are telling all these teams and media you are available, this is your new price to become so) I am still curious to find out exactly what Roger did to get sent home from Philly. It seems like the ramifications are still playing out from that.
Did you mean Roger, perhaps?