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"The Jazz are bound to shoot [Milos] Teodosic an offer sheet."

The line of thinking "Oh, since most players come over when they are young, that must mean it's impossible for a player to come over at 30 and be good." is utterly stupid.
 
infection said:
Who are the good Euros who have come over late in their career other than Sabonis?
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Kukoc, nocioni are a couple examples. There are more... I'm misplacing some names.

It doesn't happen often that is for sure.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
My bad I didn't realize there were youtubes of him making shots in Olympic play and pre-season games...

Didn't Carlos arroyo rip USA apart one year?

Its absolutely fair to be skeptical that this guy can produce in the NBA. I don't care if he beat the timberwolves in the preseason.

Instead of youtubes... how about that example?
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I'm sorry, that is a horrendously stupid line of thought. Teodosic could have come to the NBA 4 years ago if he wanted. He has had an open invite for a while. You are acting like this dude just blew up in Europe and is some flash in the pan. The level of disrespect you have for his game rn is embarrassing.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The line of thinking "Oh, since most players come over when they are young, that must mean it's impossible for a player to come over at 30 and be good." is utterly stupid.
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Not what I said jackass... I said I can't think of one... just one example where it has been successful. I'm not looking for the mean I'm looking for one damn outlier... ONE.
 
infection said:
Who are the good Euros who have come over late in their career other than Sabonis?
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So you are saying statistically the NBA is due? I understand some of the skepticism, but I think Quin Snyder has coached him before and would be a fair judge of NBA talent.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHO0OBtYNkk
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I'm sorry, that is a horrendously stupid line of thought. Teodosic could have come to the NBA 4 years ago if he wanted. He has had an open invite for a while. You are acting like this dude just blew up in Europe and is some flash in the pan. The level of disrespect you have for his game rn is embarrassing.
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How is it horrendously stupid to ask for one example of it working. He might be able to play in the league saying it's dumb to give unproven NBA guys extremely valuable cap space is totally fair.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Not what I said jackass... I said I can't think of one... just one example where it has been successful. I'm not looking for the mean I'm looking for one damn outlier... ONE.
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Who cares? Evaluate the talent, not some other PG's who came over later in their career. Utterly stupid line of thought.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I'm sorry, that is a horrendously stupid line of thought. Teodosic could have come to the NBA 4 years ago if he wanted. He has had an open invite for a while. You are acting like this dude just blew up in Europe and is some flash in the pan. The level of disrespect you have for his game rn is embarrassing.
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Mike James still plays in that league... udoh is an all star. it's a different game.
 
Joncolton said:
So you are saying statistically the NBA is due?
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I'm not saying anything, really. If the argument is that other positions can make it late in their careers but PGs can't because there's no precedent, then that's a meaningless statistic because of very limited sample size. So far we've got three players mentioned of any position so saying it's PGs I don't think is all that accurate. I think a better explanation is that really talented guys will come over earlier. Nocioni was 24 and Kukoc 25. Sabonis was 30.
 
infection said:
I'm not saying anything, really. If the argument is that other positions can make it late in their careers but PGs can't because there's no precedent, then that's a meaningless statistic because of very limited sample size. So far we've got three players mentioned of any position so saying it's PGs I don't think is all that accurate. I think a better explanation is that really talented guys will come over earlier. Nocioni was 24 and Kukoc 25. Sabonis was 30.
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Yup. Its a laughable argument.

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I'm all for signing Teodosic and it is widely agreed that he is the best basketball player outside of the US.

The argument that because Ingles has worked out for us means he will is extremely dumb though.


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I don't think it makes much sense to look at other players or situations. I think it makes the most sense to look at his game. He has an NBA game offensively, but even in his current leagues he has a decent amount of TO's to go with those great assists. He's absolutely a good/great NBA level shooter,and has excellentt ball handling ability. He's also going to struggle defensively, and he's never played in such a rigorous, long season.

He looks like he doesn't take care off himself incredibly well, and as he gets older that could lead to injuries, or an earlier drop-off in his ability.

The Jazz also need to think about if bringing a guy like him over makes sense for their team depending on who else is on the roster. Is he a definite NBA starter on a top team? I don't think you can say that. I don't know if it makes sense for the Jazz to bring him in unless they consider Exum a bust/non PG, or they aren't planning on bringing back Hill. I guess if Hayward is on board I'd be fine rolling with him in a platoon with Exum for a year or two. But I'm higher on Exum than some people, who might want to move on immediately.

Edit: In that case he'd be an ideal backup. But he reportedly only wants to start.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Who cares? Evaluate the talent, not some other PG's who came over later in their career. Utterly stupid line of thought.
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It's part of the evaluation... like hey look this has never really been done successfully and our cap space is pretty damn valuable right now... maybe we should let someone else take that gamble.

It's not the whole evaluation but if it doesn't enter into the thinking it's dumb...
 
Most guys who are really talented in Europe get noticed early and they come to the NBA early, especially with how good scouting is now. And now the European leagues are becoming deeper, so young NBA talent wants to come over earlier because they cant get minutes for the top club teams. Teodosic didnt. He became a star in Europe and for what ever reason he decided to stay in Europe. I dont know why we are holding that against him and asking for examples of other players coming over late.

The most recent example that comes to my mind of a European star coming to the NBA late was Juan Carlos Navero. He had a decent rookie year for the Grizzlies before returning to Europe because he didnt like playing for a bad team (Grizzlies were bad at the time) and not being a star like he could in Europe. He also cited it being hard on his family because they couldn't speak English. This was also during a time before the league became more European in style of play.

I think it's pretty obvious Teo could thrive in Utah. He has a good relationship with Snyder and we have a good enough defense to hide him. He is an excellent 3pt shooter and is a great off the dribble shooter who can pull up in anyone's face. He would be a top 3 NBA passer from Day 1. It's just a no brainer deal. 8 million a yaer is cheap for a rotation player. At the very least he is a good 20 mpg backup PG who can shoot the lights out and get the team easy buckets with his passing.
 
Quin's Murderface said:
I don't think it makes much sense to look at other players or situations. I think it makes the most sense to look at his game. He has an NBA game offensively, but even in his current leagues he has a decent amount of TO's to go with those great assists. He's absolutely a good/great NBA level shooter,and has excellentt ball handling ability. He's also going to struggle defensively, and he's never played in such a rigorous, long season.

He looks like he doesn't take care off himself incredibly well, and as he gets older that could lead to injuries, or an earlier drop-off in his ability.

The Jazz also need to think about if bringing a guy like him over makes sense for their team depending on who else is on the roster. Is he a definite NBA starter on a top team? I don't think you can say that. I don't know if it makes sense for the Jazz to bring him in unless they consider Exum a bust/non PG, or they aren't planning on bringing back Hill. I guess if Hayward is on board I'd be fine rolling with him in a platoon with Exum for a year or two. But I'm higher on Exum than some people, who might want to move on immediately.

Edit: In that case he'd be an ideal backup. But he reportedly only wants to start.
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Ehh, I havent heard anything about him saying he wants to start. I remember hearing he doesnt care about starting as long as he has a rotation role on the team.
 
Navarro is the best example of success... he had his buddy in his team and came in in his athletic prime... good shooter but wasn't good defensively and ultimately returned for his role in Europe.

Teo is a better prospect I agree but is older and his defense has been awful in the euroleague... now we want him to guard the pgs in the western conference.

Add to it that he has never wanted to come to the NBA until now... when the money is much better than what he can expect in the NBA... he is mecurial and is the star of that league. He was so uninterested in coming over that no one bothered to draft him. Now he wants to come over and play backup pg for us?

It's far from an obvious home run for is and the cost is significant. If we let Hill walk and teo is the answer I'm sure Hayward would love that. If we resign hill and sign him Ingles or Favs will not be on the roster next year (already assuming Burks would be gone).

So yeah no cost or risk there at all. Also they play all of 30 games a year so NBA conditioning, pace,and physicality should not be accounted for. If this was two or three years ago I think the gamble would be interesting but now it doesn't make sense at all.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
When this guy ends up going to the Spurs and crushing it, I'm blaming HH.
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Fine by me if they decide to let patty mills walk and bring him in and give him the keys.
 
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