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The story behind the Utah Jazz’s front-office shake-up, and why it happened now

They put a sheep skin over a wolf, but i could see right through it.

Hopefully we sort it out, and put together a real contender next year.

Clearly there were problems, and the number 1 record kind of allowed people to live in a fairytale.
I think the #1 record was legit and these would all be very different conversations had everyone been healthy, imo. But it might be better this way as if we had seen success, even if that just meant getting bounced by the suns in the WCF, maybe we would have stayed at status quo and never had the impetus to fix what sounds like a rotten situation.
 
listened to Tony Jones on Checketts's show today; somewhat different emphasis there, despite acknowledging the real (and juicier) rift between Quin and DL:

- Tony was pretty firm that the more important rift than the QS/DL one was the Ryan Smith/DL one (though didn't provide details about the substance of the breakdown, whether basketball personnel/philosophy, management style, or whatever else).

-Tony seems to be preparing Jazz fans for the eventual Ainge regime (not necessarily that he'll take over DL's role directly, though didn't rule that out, but that his impact on Smith is likely to be heavy, whatever his title ends up being).

-both Tony and Checketts quickly dismissed any possibility that Battier is in play for a role with the Jazz -- they've both been told rather directly apparently that that's not something Battier is after

- Spence particularly, though Tony seemed to concur somewhat, suggested strongly that this whole shakeup is really all about Smith -- his desire to be heavily involved as an owner, his fondness for the spotlight, etc. To me this signals that we as fans should prepare for a possibly tumultuous road ahead, with likely a lot less emphasis on long-term continuity. Hope Smith ends up pulling it off successfully.
I wonder why Smith was pissed at DL? Could it be that he’s sloppy and barely had us in the luxury tax because he felt ****ed up the math? Remember all teh lolz when I suggested that @infection ? Because “bruh... like these pros would do that?”
 
I wonder why Smith was pissed at DL? Could it be that he’s sloppy and barely had us in the luxury tax because he felt ****ed up the math? Remember all teh lolz when I suggested that @infection ? Because “bruh... like these pros would do that?”
Yep. You and I were following that pretty closely. We were questioning why DL didn't do more to avoid the luxury last year. How close were we after all was said and done? $2 million or so?
 
listened to Tony Jones on Checketts's show today; somewhat different emphasis there, despite acknowledging the real (and juicier) rift between Quin and DL:

- Tony was pretty firm that the more important rift than the QS/DL one was the Ryan Smith/DL one (though didn't provide details about the substance of the breakdown, whether basketball personnel/philosophy, management style, or whatever else).

-Tony seems to be preparing Jazz fans for the eventual Ainge regime (not necessarily that he'll take over DL's role directly, though didn't rule that out, but that his impact on Smith is likely to be heavy, whatever his title ends up being).

-both Tony and Checketts quickly dismissed any possibility that Battier is in play for a role with the Jazz -- they've both been told rather directly apparently that that's not something Battier is after

- Spence particularly, though Tony seemed to concur somewhat, suggested strongly that this whole shakeup is really all about Smith -- his desire to be heavily involved as an owner, his fondness for the spotlight, etc. To me this signals that we as fans should prepare for a possibly tumultuous road ahead, with likely a lot less emphasis on long-term continuity. Hope Smith ends up pulling it off successfully.
Bummer. Not a fan of Ainge and not a big fan of Smith getting into the day to day basketball decisions.
 
I wonder why Smith was pissed at DL? Could it be that he’s sloppy and barely had us in the luxury tax because he felt ****ed up the math? Remember all teh lolz when I suggested that @infection ? Because “bruh... like these pros would do that?”
I am happy to be the outlier on this one and own my comments. I still dont believe for one minute that DL or anyone in the Jazz FO did bad math or lost track of the luxury tax. Way too many people involved crunching numbers for that to happen so flame away. However, it does seem very possible that DL simply didn't care and/or thought Smith was fine with spending more and didn't check in.
 
What upsets me the most about drafting Udoka is that after you pick him and praise the heck out of him. You then re-sign Favors for 3 years. What was the point of doing this? How does Udoka get experience if he is stuck behind an aging vet and with a coach who didn't want to draft him. Either you draft a SG/SF and get Favors or you draft Udoka and then in FA sign the SG/SF that the Jazz needed. What made it more frustrating is DL talking about the need for an athletic SG/SF with size. Then he doesn't do it. Still makes no sense to me.
Actually, it all makes sense now. This fracas explains so much.

Q and DL have some big egos + self-destructive tendencies. Our best chance at a title in 20 years got sliced up between the two.

Q’s seat better be warm.
 
I am happy to be the outlier on this one and own my comments. I still dont believe for one minute that DL or anyone in the Jazz FO did bad math or lost track of the luxury tax. Way too many people involved crunching numbers for that to happen so flame away. However, it does seem very possible that DL simply didn't care and/or thought Smith was fine with spending more and didn't check in.
I think they ****ed up the math... other front offices have had similar **** ups. It happens. Call it what you want but they failed to give themselves the wiggle room necessary to get out of the tax and barely dipped their toes in it. When I say they ducked up the math I’m not saying the spreadsheet was pulling the wrong cells or that they didn’t carry the 1.... I’m saying they gave out money that made it impossible to get under the tax without dumping a key rotation player. It was clear they were trying to avoid the tax after handing out some deals... and it was never going to work without a bigger move. That’s a math **** up... sorry.
 
According to Tony it sounds like Danny left Boston because of health reasons. Because of his health he wouldn’t be the day to day guy like he was with Boston.

Maybe he will just Skype in to vote nay or yay.


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To get rid of Bradley-one 2nd round pick.

To get rid of Ed-two 2nd round picks

To get rid of Tucker-one 2nd round pick

To get Matty ice-one 2nd round pick

To get Doke-one 1st round pick

To sign Hughes- one 2nd round pick PLUS 2.4M in salary guaranteed through the end of next season.

That's 7 draft picks equate to zero in production.
I went back and looked at what Bradley gave us last season and what Favs gave us this season, and statistically it was a wash. So we paid Favs a zillion dollars, gave away all our draft picks and Matty Ice, Dok and Hughes are what we have to show for it. Pure genius, What if the Jazz just stood pat, let Davis contract eventually expire, kept Bradley, kept Tucker, kept NWG, didn't sign Shaq, didn't sign Ersan didn't trade for Matty Ice. I think you could argue the Jazz would have been better off standing pat and letting Bradley develop or not develop and use that draft pick for something else.
 
I went back and looked at what Bradley gave us last season and what Favs gave us this season, and statistically it was a wash. So we paid Favs a zillion dollars, gave away all our draft picks and Matty Ice, Dok and Hughes are what we have to show for it. Pure genius, What if the Jazz just stood pat, let Davis contract eventually expire, kept Bradley, kept Tucker, kept NWG, didn't sign Shaq, didn't sign Ersan didn't trade for Matty Ice. I think you could argue the Jazz would have been better off standing pat and letting Bradley develop or not develop and use that draft pick for something else.
DL drove the Jazz backwards this past season. No way around it. If I'm Ryan Smith or Donovan Mitchell, I have every right to be upset. We'd be running away with the no.1 seed and cruising to the final had DL made even one useful move. The possibility of Conley departure only makes the matter worse.
 
I went back and looked at what Bradley gave us last season and what Favs gave us this season, and statistically it was a wash. So we paid Favs a zillion dollars, gave away all our draft picks and Matty Ice, Dok and Hughes are what we have to show for it. Pure genius, What if the Jazz just stood pat, let Davis contract eventually expire, kept Bradley, kept Tucker, kept NWG, didn't sign Shaq, didn't sign Ersan didn't trade for Matty Ice. I think you could argue the Jazz would have been better off standing pat and letting Bradley develop or not develop and use that draft pick for something else.
I'd even date back to when DL cut Jeff Green and signed Tucker in his place. Niang almost fell out of the rotation when Uncle Jeff was here. Had we kept Jeff Green on the team we'd have won that clippers series, while keeping all of our second round picks.
 
Funny how DL always talked about not skipping steps and yet that is exactly what he did at least since the George Hill trade- for the last 5 or 6 years at least he's been skipping steps with the point guard rentals.
 
According to Tony it sounds like Danny left Boston because of health reasons. Because of his health he wouldn’t be the day to day guy like he was with Boston.

Maybe he will just Skype in to vote nay or yay.


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Honestly would welcome him in an advisory type role. The biggest issue with him was his relationship stuff... and that he's annoying. I think he's worth having in the brain trust.
 
Hindsight is 20/20 but some of the moves almost feel like submarining Quin moves tbh.

It makes you wonder if their relationship was toxic enough to play it that way. It doesn't seem consistent with Dennis Lindsey's high character persona over the years, but some of these moves really make you wonder if it wasn't personal at some level.
 
Bummer. Not a fan of Ainge and not a big fan of Smith getting into the day to day basketball decisions.
I can't think of a circumstance where this has gone well. Balmer maybe... but he seems to just be really present and not a Cuban type that is the real decision maker.
 
The next two seasons will reveal soooooo much. I wonder how much of that two year interval we’ll be able to predict based on what is revealed in just this offseason. The outcome with Mike is huge. How we’re able to pivot into a more flexible roster from this corner we’ve painted ourselves into is also very revealing...

Just how savvy is this new group that’ll be congealing? How big of a voice will Snyder have, and/or how warm is his seat?

If we basically just run it back, then is that a sign of too much conservatism and lack of a new consensus?
 
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